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Citations needed[edit]

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Many, if not all, of the facts mentioned in this page are provided without citation. Where did the writers get their information from? Also, are the sources which they used reliable?

The reigns of Sultans are from three sources. Maldivian chronicler Hasan Taj Al-Din's Taarikh written in Arabic which covers 670years of Maldives history, the loamaafaanu copper plates and the third source called Raadhavalhi which was written in 1757 using both Dhives ( old script ) and Thaana ( new script ) Maldivian languages. Mvrelics (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding source links to match the dates

Timeline https://maldivesheritage.oxcis.ac.uk/index.php/timeline-of-maldives-history/

Taajudeen Chronicles http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/84064/3/A505_3.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvrelics (talk • contribs) 00:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is a copy of the Raadhavalhi, or at least photos or the full text of any of the three known manuscripts (Sonja Fritz, 2002, The Dhivehi Language. A Descriptive and Historical Grammar of Maldivian and Its Dialects, Volume 2, pg. 218) available for viewing on the internet? Ismehela (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent use of transliterations[edit]

Some of the names of rulers of the early dynasties have a mixture of Malé Letin and IAST. For example, the name Sūdasarunāditya is correct in ISO 15919, but in Malé Letin "t" is "th" and "d" is "dh". In Malé Letin, the name would be Soodhasarunaadhithya. Yes I know it looks ridiculous but we should be consistent in the use of transliterations, not use a mix of both. So the options are: -Change all the names to their ISO 15919 equivalents -Change all the names to their Malé Letin equivalents 43.231.28.167 (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you speculating that during the reign of King Sri Soodasarunaditya he was in Male', speaking Dhivehi and had Male' Latin names? Mvrelics (talk) 07:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Their names were obviously not romanised in that era, so we would have to either stick to one transliteration. Also what is a Malé Latin name? Dhoru 21 (talk・contribs) 06:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't mean that. I meant that the usage of one transliteration scheme to transliterate the names of the all the Maldivian monarchs in this article, and not a mixture of two different transliteration schemes. Malé Latin is the currently most commonly used transliteration scheme in Maldives. ISO 15919 is a transliteration scheme used to transliterate many Indic languages, and can be used to transliterate Dhivehi. (I have changed transliteration scheme of IAST to ISO 15919 because IAST lacks letters for some prenasalization sounds in Dhivehi and lacks letters for short "e" and "o".)

Shouldn't it be called "Romanization"? Transliteration is a one-to-one mapping of characters in the source language into the target script, which wouldn't be practical to use for names like these as they have been written in Dhives Akuru, Thaana, and Arabic scripts. Transcription, or more accurately orthographic transcription is the mapping of spoken words onto written forms as prescribed by the orthography of a given language. It is also possible to use a mixture of transliteration and transcription for Romanization.

In my opinion, I think the usage of ISO 15919 to romanize names in Dhivehi would be good. However, I dislike the characters it uses to romanize some Arabic sounds, such as k͟h, s̤, h̤, and t̤. The romanization method that I prefer for Arabic is the method used in the Encyclopedia of Arabic Language and Linguistics (edited by Kees Versteegh, Brill, 2006–2009). A chart of this method can be found here (the method is shown as "EALL") Ismehela (talk) 12:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed for rulers of Lunar and Solar Dynasties[edit]

There are reliable sources for the rulers of the rulers after the conversion to Islam, i.e. the Tarikh and Radavali, but these sources do not mention some of the names of some rulers. These rulers are:

Srimati Damahara: mentioned but name is not mentioned in a source (Mohamed, Naseema (2005). Note on the Early History of the Maldives. 70 (1): 9)

Sri Baladitya

Sri Laukabarana

Sri Maha Sandura

Sri Bovana Ananda

The sources of the article mention a book written by Shihaabuddheen, but there is not many information regarding it:

Allama Ahmed Shihabuddine (original work in Arabic, translated to Dhivehi by Dhoondeyri Don Maniku), Kitab fi Athaari Meedoo el-Qadimiyyeh. Male'

Is there a known copy of the book that is available online, for confirmation?

43.231.28.167 (talk) 15:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a translation in the website of the maldives royal family: https://maldivesroyalfamily.com/maldives_antiquity.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.231.29.138 (talk) 15:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's the one

https://web.archive.org/web/20190326203721/https://maldivesroyalfamily.com/maldives_antiquity.shtml

A capture of one of the pages of Dhoo(n)deyre manuscript can be seen here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190304105717/http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/maldives_meedhoo_history.shtml Mvrelics (talk) 07:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]