Talk:List of Invader Zim episodes

List of unfinished episodes

With the exception of 10 minutes to doom, Nubs of Doom, Day of da spookies and The trial, the unfinished episodes are not inportant enough to have sections of their own and deletions have been threatened. I have combined most of it into one large article, but left everything as it is, incase it doesn't work out (The list is kinda big) what does everyone propose we do? Devilmaycare 10:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Cite your sources. CovenantD 15:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Has been done Devilmaycare 16:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Where the heck did you get the "Possible airdate" crud!? Was that actual information that was true? I really don't think so. Why do even make that up. I say that you shouldn't even put information that wasn't confirmed. Some people will actuallly believe it and say things about it all across the internet.In conclusion, STOP MAKING UP AIRDATES!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.186.7 (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Other stuff

There is supposably an alternate version of the pilot with (poor) cgi effects in the food fight. Images of this episode are in the room with a moose screenshot gallery, but there seems to be no way of califying whether this exists or is simply a hoax. Can someone clarify? Devilmaycare 11:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Tables

A couple of notes after I put all the episodes into tables. I chose purple and green because those 2 colours appear loads in Invader Zim. The descriptions are crap so someone please change them lol. I don't have the DVD yet so I can't take screenshots without having the toonami logo in the corner. I put the episodes into production order, if that's too much of a problem for too many people then I'll fiddle the table around. My source dates are TV.com, if they're wrong then fix accordingly. umm, I think that's all. BillPP 01:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, I removed information about episode animation and stuff as it didn't aline well with the tables. It could go back in if someone puts the production numbers with the info, I would but I dont know which episodes were the ones described. BillPP 01:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for doing all that work on the episode list. I've been doing a lot of work on the episodes themselves. I'm still experimenting with exactly what format each episode description needs but I'll get it all synced sooner or later (I work in an editorial office and do this sort of thing every day. I can only do so much at a time). What I'm mostly writing about is the color scheme you chose. I like it but the purple you chose is a little too light and makes the blue text, "List of Invader Zim episodes," on the episode pages nearly invisible. Maybe another shade of purple or even red, since that color figures so prominently in the show. Whichever you like will work, just as long as you can easily read the text underneath. Thanks. Philiplore 01:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I chose the purple as it's another colour that's used a lot in episodes. The navigator template was originally in Zim's skin colour green, there was a very brief discussion on the main Invader Zim talk page and the purple was requested. I agree with you and I've now changed the colour to Gir dogsuit-green. which shows up the text much better. BillPP 05:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

School vs. Skool

In Invader Zim, school is always spelled "skool." I notice this humorous spelling is used in the articles for the actual episodes. Should it not be used in this list as well? Another annoying question -- since the Skool in Invader Zim is a very specific school, should it not also be capitalized everywhere it is used? -- Tckma 19:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that it could be changed in this list. The first occurrence will need to be in quotations, making it clear to someone unfamiliar with the show that it's not just a typo. If it doesn't look right, it can be changed back or fine tuned as needed. I think there are still several articles that need to be changed as well. I just don't have enough time on my hands for this lately, especially with the holidaze here.

Unfortunately, we don't know enough about the Zim universe to make a definitive grammatical decision on the capitalization. If the word, "school" is commonly spelled as "skool" in that universe, and the 'skool' is one of many 'skools,' then it should be lowercase. If their "Skool" is the only one spelled that way, or the only one that exists, then it should be uppercase. We've never been given any indication that there are or aren't other schools, so there's no way to know for sure. The school is never given a proper name (maybe it just has a number) but there must be other schools and some way to differentiate between them. A logical universe would dicate lowercase, but this show doesn't exactly hold to logic, so... It could also be argued that it's a unique artistic creation and therefore should be capped. It might look really weird being capped everywhere though. So who knows? --Philiplore 16:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that it should be spelled 'skool', however, there is no way, as I see, to tell about upper or lower case. On the first usage of 'skool', we should add (sic), to ensure it is not interpreted as an error. Devilmaycare 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How about this: Have the first instance of the term appear as " 'skool' (sic)", and afterwards refer to it as "school". --InShaneee 20:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Works for me—"'skool' (sic)" on the first instance and "school" after. Philiplore 17:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea Devilmaycare 17:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm late to this discussion, but I see that at the start of the episode "Vindicated!", right when the episode title is displayed, they show the front of the "school" and it has the sign above the door "SKOOL". While it is it all capital letters (and thus is not decisive), it seems to me unlikely that "skool" just means "school", since this would be akin to having a sign above your school or mine that says "SCHOOL", which is certainly odd, to say the least. Of course, as previously stated, logic does not always apply to Invader Zim. Thestorm042 12:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Alternative page

Hi people, I've made an alternative page for the episode list which can be seen in my sandbox here. It has a few layout changes and the episode order is more "official" as it's based on the production order and DVD releases. At this point I don't intend to change the current list because it's fine. But if there's ever a consensus to change to production order then it's all ready to be pasted in. --BillPP ^(talk) 07:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Clearing needless single episode articles

Single episode articles do not need to exist for most series. Only certain shows of high regard (Simpsons, Dr. Who), that can have actual information, need them. An episode needs to be capable of having more than just a plot summary; along with a nice, concise plot summary, they need to have at least well sourced development, and reception sections. Examples of this can be found here, here, and in any of the episode articles here. Obviously, they won't just pop up for every episode article, but it is easy to tell that this is very unlikely to happen for this series. I plan on doing this in five days if no concerns are brought up. If they are brought up, I will address them. Nemu 19:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Before you start trying to delete anything, please note that these episodes are currently going through a period of cleanup with sections being removed and added in an attempt to improve all the articles. Take a look at the Invader Zim task force. You should also note that Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, there is no limit to the articles that can be included. Episode articles are not limited to prime time shows of great fame. See the TV Episodes guidelines for more information. The articles may not achieve the same quality as episode articles for prime time TV shows but that is not the deciding factor on whether or not they should exist or not. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt the cleanup will bring about any quality (no offense to you and the editors there). The fact that the TF only has three topics on it's talk page shows that nothing beyond the basics will get done. What you need to refer to is WP:EPISODE, which states some needed content for episode articles. It even suggests that articles with little content (e.g. just a plot summary) be merged. The TV project's page is just dead weight. I really, really hate WP:NOT#PAPER. The fact that the site isn't paper is what gives us the ability to cover various TV shows in the first place. It doesn't mean that we need to expand upon every minor topic of said shows. Nemu 21:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the articles should stay because even though they currently seem to be mainly plot summaries (which they are), they are expandable with the recommended items in the episode page you've linked. Also if you check the history of the articles then you'll see that action is being taken to make the articles meet the guidelines. At the moment it's hard to spot because the task force and the cleanup period hasn't been running very long, but more and more episodes are having the plots reduced, trivia removed, and more recently more secondary sources have been added. I think the key difference is that the articles just haven't been expanded, they are not unexpandable in my opinion. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

So far, all you have done is a minor cleanup. I looked through a third of them, and the only true reference I found was to TV.com, which is not a reliable source. To satisfy the guideline, you will need to add fully backed development and reception sections. Do you really think that you'll be able to find such sources for a children's show, that may have a small cult following, but was still canned fairly early in it's life? Do the DVDs have extensive commentary on the creation of every single episode? If they don't, your claim of the articles being expandable is quite moot. Nemu 21:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes the DVDs contain commentary on the creation, background information, conflicts with the TV studio on content, etc.. Like I said earlier, the cleanup is taking place. I've collected sources from reputable sites such as IGN and scifi.com which comment on episode content. It just takes time to put it all into articles. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

But how much? That was my question. Is it enough to adequately source every article? Does the commentary focus on conflicts with certain episodes or just the thing as a whole? Are they good enough not to be considered trivial? You can have sourced information, but still have it be pointless. Maybe a few episodes can pull it off, but I really doubt the possibility of them all becoming well sourced. Nemu 22:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes the DVD commentary goes into detail on the episode that it is during. For example changes due to 9/11, material deemed inappropriate (notable due to the overall relationship between the crew and Nickelodeon), story arcs, etc.. In my opinion the material's there. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, as I don't have the DVDs, I will have to take your word on it for now. If possible, please focus on bringing an episode up to the standards that you believe are good enough, so I know whether or no to pursue this in the future. I would say a month is a good amount of time. Nemu 22:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Will do. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If anybody's wondering why the redirecting went ahead without further discussion, I've been unable to use the DVD commentary as an out of universe source as I can't get hold of my DVDs at the moment. The episodes can be remade easily by reverting the merge. But I advise this is only done when multiple out of universe sources are available otherwise the article will be redirected again. Four episode articles that have been expanded with sources remain, but still need further work. A guide towards making a good episode article can be found on the Invader Zim taskforce page. ●BillPP ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Production Numbers

"Dibship Rising", has wrong production number. It's suppose to be 25B, their are currently two episodes listed as production number 22B.

Again with "The Frycook What Came from All That Space" is suppose to be 23 and not 26. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcnichoj (talk • contribs) 19:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Invader Zim: The Movie

Hi,

The article states that "Invader Zim: The Movie" was neither finished nor aired. However it's on the list of episodes with an air date. Wikipedia is the only place that mentions "Invader Zim: The Movie" as an actual aired episode. Should this be corrected?

False Info

Someone add some unofficial episodes. The description for Invader Dib is unavailable. And all episodes listed after that aren't real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.69.229 (talk) 05:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Unfinished Episode Synopses

• If the last few episodes of Invader Zim were never written, where are these episode synopses coming from? Were all the stories fully fleshed out, just unwritten? If so, and if you have references to support the synopses, please provide them, else the summaries should be marked "Unknown." I know fans have a lot of emotions about this show, but the goal of Wikipedia is to be an resource for verifiable information, not for rumor and speculation. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Moving the Xmas special to the end of the episode list

This discussion has been started in response to edits made by @Grapesoda22: here, and my subsequent reversion of those edits. The rational for my first reversion: Grapesoda22's edit was not explained, and it was unclear why an episode that aired in 2002 was being moved to the end of a series of episodes that aired in 2006. Grapesoda22 restored his/her changes with this edit summary: "It aired out of order this is the correct listing as it appears on the DVDs". My response: Without a reliable list of the episodes as they were PRODUCED, to contrast against the episodes as they were aired, we are making an assumption that the episodes aired "out of order". Without any other information, the broadcast order is, for our purposes, the appropriate ordering. DVD publishers package and arrange episodes however they want. It cannot be assumed that the order of episodes on a DVD is the order in which the episodes were produced, or that this ordering is the definitive "canonical" episode ordering. TVGuide, for example, lists the episodes by airdate. Now, if there is other compelling information, such as if the DVD also contains the episode production codes, or an interview with Vasquez where he explains that this episode was the last to be produced, that's a different story, and should be explained in prose on the main article, and corroborated by a reliable source. Until we have that sort of information, I am of the opinion that the episodes should be ordered by airdate. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Come on, the Holiday special is the last episode, I don't really want to fight you. Grapesoda22 (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Says who? What's your argument? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

• The official team mentions it being the final episode in the commentary
• Teleivsion stations also have as much say of the broadcast order
• Wikipedia caters to official episode production order as opposed to air dates (see List of Futurama episodes, were most episodes air in a separate order)

Grapesoda22 (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

False information on writers

Folks, I don't really have the time to present the information but Steve Ressel didn't write most of those episodes he's credited for. I'm pretty sure he didn't write any episodes in fact.2600:8805:8100:17E:21F8:D035:A4B0:5DCA (talk) 14:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It looks as though the Director/Writer/Storyboard credits are out of order. For example, for the first episodes it lists Kyle Menke & Shawn Murray as directors, Steve Ressel as the writer, and Jhonen Vasquez & Rob Hummel as the storyboard artists. However, the opening credits list Vasquez & Hummel as writers, Ressel as the director, and Menke & Murray as the storyboard artists. WeezleBeezle (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Dark harvest

Draft:Dark Harvest (Invader Zim) is now in drafts 92.236.253.249 (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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