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Names that need to be kept an eye on[edit]

I have noticed that about 30 names have been consistently removed from the list since May 2016 (till the lastest revisions this month). These removals include people who were born in France, as stated on their pages on Wikipedia, such as Hipólito Bouchard, Sacha Fenestraz and Santiago de Liniers, but also people whose French ancestry is confirmed in their biographies, including Juan Agustín Augier, Marcelino Augier, Udislao Augier (French ancestry specified on their father's page in Spanish, see Francisco Rafael Augier), Víctor Heredia, María Amalia Lacroze de Fortabat (French ancestry specified on her great-uncle page in Spanish, Federico Lacroze, with a direct link on hers) and Michel Noher (his father is included in the list). José Rondeau and Juan Vital Sourrouille were also wrongfully removed from the list, although their last names are undeniably French and their family trees can be found online (the references have now been added to avoid these persistent removals in the future). I don't see how these 11 “contributions” could “improve” the list, as it appears the names were arbitrarily removed by this user, without taking time to read their biographies—or even actually consider they rightfully belonged in the list.
Other names in the list need to be kept an eye on, since they have been subjects to the same arbitrary treatment, obviously by the same user. They include: Carolina Ardohain, Martín Bonjour, Federico Broin, Juan Cabandié, Héctor Candau, Teté Coustarot, Lía Crucet, Ceferino Denis, Martín Durand, Carlos Alberto Etcheverry, Jonathan Jacquet, Mario Moine, Bambi Moreno Charpentier, Chano Moreno Charpentier, Gastón Ricaud and María Alejandra Tucat, although their names are undeniably French, sometimes typical from the French Basque country (Ardohain and Etcheverry) or from Southern France (such as Cabandié, Candau, Coustarot and Tucat), as can be proven correct on different pages (geneanet.org, geopatronyme.com or this non-exhaustive dictionary of French names).
I have included references whenever I could find online data about French Argentines included in this list. If it's easy to find biographical information about prominent figures of Argentine history (such as Cortázar or Evita, to name a few), it is more difficult in the case of lesser-known celebrities—still notable enough to have their own pages on Wikipedia, either in English or in Spanish. The only way to identify them is through their last names. Fortunately enough, most of French immigration to Argentina came from the Southwestern part of the country. As a consequence, the majority of French last names in Argentina are typical of this area, as they derive from Basque (Basque names often aren't spelled the same in France and in Spain, Etcheverry/Echeverría for instance) or from Occitan languages. They usually cannot be found in Belgium nor in Switzerland (as it is sometimes the case in the United States, for instance). Also, since it isn't as easy as in the United States to have your last name changed in Argentina (except if you want to hispanize it), we can conclude that a French last name encountered in Argentina truly suggests French ancestry.
Also, I have tried to use the same format than for the list of French Americans, specifying their connection with France (either French-born or with French ancestry, through father or mother lines, underlining French Uruguayan background, as in the case with French Canadians in the United States) by considerations of consistency on Wikipedia. According to me, this format appears to be the most appropriate way to illustrate the diversity and impact of French immigration to Argentina, through direct or distant ancestry. This is also a way to avoid any wrongful and arbitrary removal in the future, since the information provided is directly accessible. It is somehow concerning that the user responsible for these removals is now trying to remove any detailed mention to French ancestry on this page.--Elnuevomercurio (talk) 10:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The introduction to the article has been changed twice from "French Argentines are Argentines of full or partial French descent" to "French Argentines are Argentines full or partial French descent", which doesn't mean anything in English. I don't understand this "correction". --Elnuevomercurio (talk) 07:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now the same user has changed the text from "French Argentines are Argentines of full or partial French descent" to "French Argentines are Argentines of completely or partially French descent", which is still wrong in English. Someone is either of full French descent or is fully French.--Elnuevomercurio (talk) 07:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]