Talk:List of British Commonwealth Air Training Plan facilities in Canada

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Missing Information[edit]

This page lacks alot of information... Not all Air Navigation Schools are listed and what about the Operational Training Units? I'm guessing that the North Battleford Service Flying Training School (#32 in the list) was actually the North Battleford/Hamlin Airport and not North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh) Airport. Looking at the satellite images, the former has the "runway triangle" while the latter does not. Can someone verify this?

Both of these airfields have a triangle shape, but the "Cameron McIntosh" field has been modified (like many surviving BCATP airfields were, St. Thomas, Centralia, Brantford, Hamilton, e.g.). My primary authority for the locations of the airfields given in this article is the Air Navigation chart for the area. I do not have the chart circa WWII for North Battleford, so I decided to accept the existing Wikipedia articles for these two airfields as an authority. My interpretation of the satellite images is that Hamlin was the primary relief field (R1) for North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh). The folks at the Commonwealth Air Training Plan Museum in Brandon probably have documentation circa WWII about the location of this airfield. Sorry for the long delay in responding SteveTheAirman (talk) 23:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinate error[edit]

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There are a number of coordinates in the article, and in a hasty check I haven't noticed that any are wildly incorrect. Could you please clarify exactly what coordinates you think are erroneous and what the error is? Deor (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the absence of any response from the OP, I'm closing this as not done. Deor (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relief fields[edit]

The list of relief landing fields is not complete. Does someone know of a more complete list that we can use as a source? For e.g., Kingston had a field at Sandhurst and Vulcan had relief fields at Champion and Ensign. These aren't listed. BC  talk to me 19:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a more complete list c.1942 for western and northern Canada. The reference is the RCAF Pilots Handbook of Aerodromes and Seaplane Bases, Vol 2. I have been working to update most of the actual articles on the primary air bases with this information. Unfortunately the reference doesn't list the Primary Station that the Aerodromes were attached to. Mech1949 (talk) 16:52, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RAF stations[edit]

RAF stations (e.g. Kingston, Moose Jaw, Greenwood, De Winton, etc.) were technically not part of the BCATP until 1942. Until then they were just RAF training stations that happened to be located in Canada. It's a bit confusing since many of these stations trained RCAF personnel (e.g Kingston) for the BCATP and RAF trainees were often trained by RCAF contractors (e.g De Winton). Hatch, pg 68 mentions that these transferred schools were, however, subject to RCAF administrative and operational control. So, the RCAF had some say in how the RAF stations were operated. Hatch goes on to say that for all practical purposes they formed an extension of the BCATP but were not officially incorporated as part of the Plan until July 1942. Perhaps we should mention the status of these RAF stations and explain why they are listed as BCATP facilities (because they really weren't Plan facilities until '42). BC  talk to me 00:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Brian. This is Steve at U of G. Do you mean a further explanation is required beyond that in Section 1, "Planning and operation of facilities", and Note 2 in the "Notes" section? SteveTheAirman (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think a further explanation is needed for the actual article text based on the info I stated above. Probably in the Planning section. It does mention "an expansion as a result of the Ottawa conference of May and June 1942", but I think we need to explain that the RAF stations became officially incorporated into the Plan in July 1942. When I have time, I can hammer this together. We don't want to give the illusion that the RAF stations were always officially part of the BCATP (implied by the listings of the RAF schools in the article).  BC  talk to me 20:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up the lists[edit]

I have done a few things on this page and I believe that we need to do more.

  • I have removed all the flag emblems that were located on some of the EFTS and SFTS facilities, they were making things very hard to read.
  • I think it might be worthwhile to reorganize the lists (especially of the SFTS and EFTS and relief fields) into a table rather than a list.
  • Do we really need the coordinates added to the sites, I believe we are trying to put too much information per line. This information could easily be added to the associated articles.

I am sure I will come up with some other ideas. Mech1949 (talk) 18:03, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aerodrome Name Province Type School Primary Station
Airdrie Alberta R1 No. 3 SFTS Calgary
Aliston Ontario R2 No. 1 SFTS Camp Borden [1]
Blackfalds Alberta R2 No. 36 SFTS Penhold
Boharm Saskatchewan R1 No. 33 EFTS Caron[2]
Burtch Ontario R1 No. 5 SFTS Brantford and principal field for No. 4 Wireless School Guelph.[3]
Butress Saskatchewan R1 No. 32 SFTS Moose Jaw
Carp Ontario R1 No. 2 SFTS Ottawa
Cayuga Ontario R1 No. 16 SFTS Hagersville[4]
Champion Alberta R2 No. 19 SFTS Vulcan[5]
Chandler Saskatchewan Relief No. 38 SFTS Estevan[6]
Chater Manitoba R1 No. 12 SFTS Brandon [3]
Douglas Manitoba R2 No.12 SFTS Brandon[7]
Chicoutimi Quebec R1 No. 1 OTU Bagotville
Dufferin Ontario Relief No. 16 SFTS Hagersville[4]
Eden Manitoba R1 No. 35 EFTS Neepawa[8]
Edenvale Ontario R1 No. 1 SFTS Camp Borden
Edwards Ontario Relief No. 2 SFTS Ottawa[9]
Elgin Manitoba R2 No. 17 SFTS Souris[6]
Ensign Alberta R1 No. 19 SFTS Vulcan[5]
Farnham Quebec R2 No. 13 SFTS St. Hubert[9]
Frank Lake Alberta Relief No. 5 EFTS High River[5]
Gananoque Ontario R1 No. 31 SFTS Kingston
Grand Bend Ontario R1 No. 9 SFTS Centralia
Goderich South Ontario Relief No. 12 EFTS Goderich[4]
Gladys Alberta R2 No. 31 EFTS DeWinton[5]
Granum Alberta R1 No. 7 SFTS Fort MacLeod
Halbrite Saskatchewan R1 No. 41 SFTS Weyburn[10]
Hamlin Saskatchewan R1 No. 35 SFTS North Battleford
Hartney Manitoba R1 No. 17 SFTS Souris[3]
Site of RCAF Cayuga, relief landing field built in 1941-1942. (2018)
H-Hut at RCAF Cayuga, abandoned relief airfield. R1 for No. 16 SFTS Hagersville. (2014)
Building Plan for RCAF North Junction, R1 for No. 10 SFTS Dauphin.(1941)

Sample of reformatted list vice old formatting, what is everyone's thought? Mech1949 (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c d "Map: Toronto-Ottawa, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 9 March 1943.
  2. ^ "Map: Swift Current-Regina, June 1942.
  3. ^ a b c d e f g h Anon (2009). "Abandoned Aerodromes". Canada Flight Supplement Effective 0901Z 12 March 2009 to 0901Z 7 May 2009. Ottawa: Nav Canada. p. A35.
  4. ^ a b c d e "Map: Toronto-Windsor, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 21 January 1944.
  5. ^ a b c d e f "Map: Banff-Bassano, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 24 March 1944.
  6. ^ a b c "Map: Indian Head-Brandon, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 20 October 1944.
  7. ^ "Map: Brandon-Winnipeg, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 30 March 1944.
  8. ^ a b "Map: Neepawa-Gypsumville, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 11 October 1944.
  9. ^ a b c d "Map: Ottawa-Montreal, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, September 1942.
  10. ^ a b "Map: Indian Head - Brandon, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, April 1942.
  11. ^ a b "Map: Medicine Hat-Maple Creek, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, January 1942.
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference Maitland was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. ^ "Map: Parent-Three Rivers, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 23 February 1944.
  14. ^ a b c d "Map: Broadview-Dauphin, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 9 January 1945.
  15. ^ Staff writer (c. 1942). Pilots Handbook of Aerodromes and Seaplane Bases Vol. 2. Royal Canadian Air Force. p. 16.
  16. ^ a b "Map: Campbellton-Moncton, Air Navigation Edition."Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, June 1942.
  17. ^ Cite error: The named reference monchist was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  18. ^ "Map: Campbellton-Moncton, Air Navigation Edition." Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 24 February 1944.
  19. ^ "Map: Cranbrook-Lethbridge, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, July 1941.
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