Talk:Leopold von Sacher-Masoch

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Ukrainian Noblewoman[edit]

I put a dubious on this claim. There is no mention anywhere else of her father Dr. Masoch being a nobleman, and he was not originally from Lviv, and Lviv was not considered to be in Ukraine at the time anyway. The source of the claim used to cite is a long-defunct website. --2601:8C3:857D:E2A0:401B:8189:682F:38A2 (talk) 06:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity: White? What's that about[edit]

If there are issues about his ethnicity then that section should be removed. "White" is not an ethnicity, nor is it useful in any way. Seems like the discussion below talks about him being Spanish, or possibly Spanish mixed with Ukrainian. But if we don't know for certain I think putting "White" is dumb, it's an encyclopaedia for crying out loud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.150.133 (talk) 08:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Untitled[edit]

Should be something on the effort to construct a statue of him in Lvov, which was in the news a few years back... AnonMoos 18:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody have a reference for the claim he actually died in 1905? There's not a lot of biographical work on Sacher-Masoch in English. --Mightyfastpig 23:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody know of any biographical works on Sacher-Masoch in English other than James Cleugh's books? --Mightyfastpig 06:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Potential successor to Goethe?[edit]

This statement is odd and seems extravagant:

"who was seen by some as a potential successor to Goethe"

Who saw Sacher-Masoch in these terms and what is really meant here by "successor"? When and where was this view expressed? Norvo 02:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That came from James Cleugh's The First Masochist (as far as I can tell, the only English-language biography of Sacher-Masoch). I wanted to point out that, in his lifetime, he was the next big thing in German literature. --Mightyfastpig 17:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If he started learning German at 12 what was his native language?

Not sure where this weird claim comes from. The German WP page has him attending German-language grammar school from the age of 8. One would assume that his parents spoke German at home since his father was a senior government official and his mother was also a member of the aristocracy (albeit of slavonic descent).

76.237.0.22 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lemberg[edit]

As shown in History of Lviv#Partitions, Lviv's name at the time of Sacher-Masoch's birth was Lemberg, and it belonged to Galicia (Central Europe), then a province of Austria-Hungary. Therefore I have reinserted the correct version. --Catgut (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Czechs of Spanish descent??? | Austrians of Spanish descent???[edit]

The templates at the bottom of the page state that Leopold von Sacher-Masoch is of Spanish descent. Are there any references? I suspect that someone mixed up Galizian (from the region between Poland and Ukraine) with Galician (from NW Spain). --188.220.122.8 (talk) 19:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Masoch Café (Lviv, Ukraine) - Lomography
"He was born on Jan 27, 1836 in Lemberg (the name of Lviv at that time) in the family of the chief of police of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Leopold Sacher. Ancestors of his father were the Spanish in the XVI century who settled in Prague and also Bohemian Germans."
Not RS, but helpful.--195.137.93.171 (talk) 19:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, there is a Galicia in Spain and a Galicia in Eastern Europe ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.116.34.170 (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See also?[edit]

I believe that one of the references was accidentally put in the 'see also' section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.16.252 (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photo Caption[edit]

It would be great if one of the very knowledgeable authors of this article could add a short explanation of the intriguing hands sticking out in the photograph of Sacher-Masoch's statue. I suppose refers to some symbolism in Sacher-Masoch's works? Uffe (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The statue sounds interesting:
The 'service' in the cafe behind it is also interesting - Youtube "Masoch Cafe"
--195.137.93.171 (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Mental illness[edit]

It is currently stated that "his late fifties, his mental health began to deteriorate". But surely his mental health was poor from a much earlier stage? His pursuit of masochism suggests he was mentally ill in his thirties, if not earlier.203.184.41.226 (talk) 00:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


- His pursuit of masochism is overplayed. He was into it, his right, but it didn't consume him nor completely dominate his work. Masochism and consensual sadism have not be considered mental disorders since DSM IV 86.129.96.24 (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Baroness[edit]

Was Fanny Pistor really a baroness? In the article Venus in Furs, it says "The two met when Pistor contacted Sacher-Masoch, under assumed name and fictitious title of Baroness Bogdanoff". Then they could have used that title in their play, without her actually being a baroness. --PrettyPoliceman (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Misogynistic feminist?[edit]

The section about The Legacy of Cain states that his work has misogynist themes, yet the very next section describes him as a women's rights advocate. So which is accurate or did he have a complete change of heart some time during 1870s?

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