Talk:Leo Haas

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Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia[edit]

@User:LouisAlain thank you for creating this article. If you did so by copying and translating this article from the German Wikipedia then for copyright reasons you need to add an edit with a edit history comment stating that you did (See WP:TFOLWP, a section in the guideline Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). --PBS (talk) 14:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand. Just above, even the diff that was translated is linked. - User:LouisAlain, better place the translated template outside the banner shell, - I did it for you here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@User:LouisAlain & User:Gerda Arendt From the guidence: the template on the talk page is a nice to have as an addition to inline attribution in the edit history.

From the lead of the guideline:

Because of this, copying content from another page within Wikipedia requires supplementary attribution to indicate it. At minimum, this means providing an edit summary at the destination page – that is, the page into which the material is copied – stating that content was copied, together with a link to the source (copied-from) page, e.g. Copied content from [[<page name>]]; see that page's history for attribution.

From the section WP:TFOLWP

When translating material from a Wikimedia project licensed under CC BY-SA, a note identifying the Wikimedia source (such as an interlanguage link) should be provided in an edit summary in the translated page, ideally in its first edit. Where applicable, the template {{Translated page}} can also be added to the talk page to supplement copyright attribution. You may use an edit summary like (using French as an example) Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its history for attribution.

In this case an edit needs to be made to this article and the following comment should be added to the edit history:

Content of this article added at 23:30 on 25 January 2021 was translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at [[:de:Leo Haas]]‎; see the German article's history for attribution.

If you like I will add it with a dummy edit but "teach a man to fish..." and it would be better if User:LouisAlain, the original translator, adds it.

-- PBS (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref...tag name=Biography[edit]

@User:LouisAlain you created a named ref tag in German <ref Name="Biografie"> with the long/full citation:

Wolf H. Wagner: Der Hölle entronnen. Stationen eines Lebens. Eine Biografie des Malers und Graphikers Leo Haas. Henschel Verlag, Berlin 1987, ISBN 3-362-00147-5.

However you also used a ref...tag <ref Name="Biography" /> without providing a long citation for the tag. Please could you fix it? -- PBS (talk) 14:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I don't understand. I see a named ref, and then being called by that name, which is good, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:08, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, I fixed it before. Grimes2 (talk) 18:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References and Further reading section order[edit]

@user:LouisAlain your reversal of my placing the "References" section before "further reading" is a breach of the WP:APPENDIX guideline and as many AWB scripts will follow this guidence, you need to fix the references that depend on the positioning of "Further reading", or you will be giving yourself a Sisyphus task.

See also that the guidence states "This [Further reading] section is not intended as a repository for general references or full citations that were used to create the article content."

-- PBS (talk) 17:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes wonder what's going on here. I lost my autopatrol right (yes, I behaved like a very bad boy) after something like 2,000 articles and the 3,300+ which followed have been reviewed. Not one single reviewer (as far as I remember, well maybe once) have modified the layout. Fair to say, some reviewers acquiesce to my translations within 30 seconds they've been put on the main which of course means they haven't read the article, just quickly checked there were at least one ref. Their task is quite ungrateful and I don't blame anybody anyway, but simply question how seriously Wiki is run.
I wrote after the modification that if the References section is put above the Further reading one, the links to worldCat or Grosses Sängerlexikon for example won't appear anywhere. I don't doubt one second your expertise but in this case, how to make these links appear since I've been told at least twice not to add external links in the body of the articles. I'm tired now and need to sleep. LouisAlain (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the order to the standard, first References, then Further reading, then translated, and only then realised that it is rather Publications section, which belongs above the references, so moved it back. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

likewise but I have retitled the section "Works". I suggest that the entries are formatted using a citation template as I find the current formats with embeded German words confusing. -- PBS (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]