Talk:Leeds Northern Railway

East and West Junction Railway

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The East & West Yorkshire Junction Railway had been authorised on 16 July 1846 for a line from Poppleton Junction, on the former GNER main line just outside York, to Knaresborough. The line opened to a temporary station at Hay Park Lane on 30 October 1848 and was initially worked by the York, Newcastle & Berwick Railway. The line was then worked by E.B. Wilson & Company before the company was taken over by the York & North Midland on 1 July 1851, before services were extended to Knaresborough station on 1 October 1851.

Removed because it's out of context, and actually an unrelated line - also the text is duplicated in York_and_North_Midland_Railway#George_Hudson_departs - which is a much better place to mention it. Not sure why it was in this article - apologies if I am missing the obvious.

Also please see the talk page of that article - may contain an error. Prof.Haddock (talk) 02:11, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I've restored a very brief summary of the East and West Junction Railway as they provided competing services to Harrogate, and we mention them again the next section when the lines around Harrogate were all joined up. Agreed there was too much detail. Edgepedia (talk) 12:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Name change

Also - re-name change - posted in the London Gazette 1850 http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/21154/pages/3017 - no mention of the name to be used - this means CJ Allen is almost certainly wrong in at least one respect (it cannot have been changed in 1849). My experience of Aubreys work was that it was very derivative - ie condensed from other books - so I would guess Tomlinson was right. Or is nearest..Prof.Haddock (talk) 02:40, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

more As far as I can tell the 1848 proposed act was passed as the 1851 "Leeds Northern Act" eg see http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IMk_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA271#v=onepage&q&f=false

even more the act was http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-J9UAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA844#v=onepage&q&f=false gives a date of the act being "declared public and being judicially noted" of 3 July 1851 (looks like I must take back what I said about Aubrey..) ditto 3 July here [2]

It's possible that there was a clause in the actual act relating to timeframe explaining the August date given by Tomlinson - (or maybe the act gave the company flexibility in this respect) - with the actually "swtich over" taking place later - I can't answer that yet .. But "Act passed 3 July 1851" seems correct. Prof.Haddock (talk) 02:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I've added the date to the article. Edgepedia (talk) 12:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Starbeck to Knaresborough ext.

Possible contradictions on the date ..

C.J Allen "North Eastern Railway" says By March, 1848, this had been brought into use as far as the eastern side of Knaresborough, but once again the collapse of a bridge - this time the high viaduct acrosss the Nidd gorge -had delayed completion .." p.100

A source for the 4 Aug. 1851 date is the "Encyclopaedia of British Railway Companies" 1990, p.143 (C. Awdry) it says after opening lines from Starbeck (Harrogate) to Knaresborough on 4 August 1851 - must must surely mean construction completed - see below.

These two source appear to contradict, also noting that the whole line didn't open till 1 Oct 1851 with the Nidd viaduct.

With no other stations (eg NLS) (and as far as I know nothing else) on the line it's not clear what use would be opening the line before the viaduct - was there a temporary station on the west bank.?? Prof.Haddock (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

(Also it might be noted that the Leeds and Thirsk were originally going to lease the East and West Yorkshire Junction Railway and had the parliamentary act to do so. They got cold feet not long after after the viaduct on the Nidd collapsed.. References in the linked article if needed.)