Talk:Ledra Street

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Merge[edit]

The article titled Murder mile should really be a paragraph of this article. Any objections? Georgeg (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, yep! 'Murder Mile' is used, almost exclusively in the UK to refer to Upper/Lower Clapton Road and is well referenced in news sources doing so. I suppose it would be tricky for this article to expand, maybe it should be a disambig or something, but definitely Oppose a merge. -Kez (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support London's Murder Mile is now much quieter. It was so named because of an unconscionable level of violence in such a short period (2000-2002) - complete with wounded victims ploughing into bus stops, people leaping from second floor windows to escape revenge attacks - and the inevitable barber's chairs. The club associated with the violence was closed in the last year, or so, and the level of violence is now much lower. It is essentially a footnote to the history of a small area of Lower Clapton. It's use here is significant because it's been the consequence of a long term international peace keeping situation. It is likely that the use of the phrase in the UK press is derivative of it's use here - and that the British epithet will move to another district soon. The documentation referred to, is from 2001-2002; and the Independent (for instance) conflates the area with violence elsewhere in Hackney - so, not particularly well defined either. Kbthompson (talk) 09:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It does need referencing in the Cyprus article but the specific subject is likely to get lost if left only there. Already I am seeing references to Murder Mile 'originally' referring to the Berlin Wall, and this entry seems a simple and harmless way of correcting high school students on that. 82.31.37.222 (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)artcyprus 09:57, 14 August 2009 (GMT)[reply]

Ledra Street Crossing is closed again[edit]

At 21.00 (Cyprus time), Greek Cypriots closed their side of the crossing point, claiming that the Turkish Cypriot police has violated the Buffer Zone. I think this is worth mentioning!Wikiturk (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio[edit]

Please summarize the Famagusta Times; don't just cut and paste their articles. This is a violation of WP:COPYVIO, which you should read. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Reason for Ledra Street Closing off At the Day It is Opened[edit]

  • 1963: United Nations Peace Force separated Nicosia as Northern (Turkish) and Southern (Greek) Nicosia by constructing a buffer zone.
  • 1974: Greeks attacked to the North to annex the island to Greece.
  • 1974: Turks reacted and also captured the buffer zone between North Nicosia and South Nicosia.
  • 2008: United Nations left the responsibility of buffer zone between NN and SN to the Turkish Cypriot police.
  • 2008: Greek Cypriots expected that Turkish Cypriot police withdraw from 1974-boundary to the 1963-boundary.
  • Current Situation: Turkish Cypriot's flag currently waving in the buffer zone and Turkish Cypriot's police monitoring the buffer zone between NN and SN.

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88.232.92.141 (talk) 15:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide citations (WP:CITE) to demonstrate from reliable sources (WP:RS} that these reasons are the real reason the street closed and not just your opinion (WP:OR). Thank you. Dr.K. (talk) 22:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, you are right. I will give 3 reference at least. But the confusing in my data will ve removed by adding that:

the buffer zone btw NN and SN are in the responsibility of Turkish Cypriot administration whereas the other parts of the buffer zone btw North Cyprus and South Cyprus are in the responsibility of United Nations 88.232.92.141 (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Thanks. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 16:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reopening[edit]

I changed this from "On Thursday evening..." to "Later that evening..." because the Day was not mentioned anywhere else in the article and will be confusing in weeks to come. Change to "On the evening for 3 April..." if you prefer. 217.34.222.220 (talk) 07:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EU - non-EU border[edit]

Has anybody seen any sources mentioning the fact that Cyprus is in the EU, and the occupied part ISN'T, thus people crossing from the north are entering EU territory, and what rules apply to them? Do they check that people return?George Adam Horváth (talk) 07:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As North Cyprus is not a recognised country, the line that divides the island is not recognised by the Greek Cypriots as a state border. Therefore, there are no strict check of IDs by the Greek Cypriot police (for those who look like a Greek Cypriot, they can cross into the South without showing any ID). On the other hand, Turkish Cypriot police does require people filling out a visa form and have it stamped at the border so Turkish Cypriot side applies formal border crossing procedures. The EU reckons the Green Line as an outer border of the Union and urges Greek Cypriot side to apply more strict procedures at the crossing points. I know this looks a bit complicated.Wikiturk (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to the EU both south and north Cyrpus are part of the EU as it is considered one country. However because of the Turkish 'occupation' in the north EU law doesn't apply there.--109.117.175.65 (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Be specific on pictures please[edit]

Are the sides on the road partitioned or mixed? Please include such information in the article, ideally under the images for fast reference.(or, are they perpendicular or parallel to the 'border'? stuff like that.). --Leladax (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came here for the same question. Which pictures are of the south and which of the north? I'm curious as to how different the two parts of the street are on both sides of the crossing.--109.117.175.65 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

44 Years?[edit]

I thought the UN buffer zone was created early in 1974... (I visited the green line when I was in Nicosia that year shortly after the Turkish invasion) which would make it 34 years ago not 44. Or am I prematurely senile?

Julian I Do Stuff (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Julian, the UN buffer zone was but Ledra Street had been divided by the British before UNFICYP came in. Which is also when the Turkish Cypriot enclave was created.
Ολίβια (talk) 08:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Either an explanation should be added, or the number changed. It's very confusing the way it is. Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greek/Turkish[edit]

What exactly is the name of Ledra Street in Greek and Turkish? --Camptown (talk) 12:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ledra Street = Lokmacı Caddesi (In Turkish) 88.232.92.141 (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ledra street = οδός Λήδρας (Odos Lidras) (in Greek) Georgeg (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "United Nations Document" (PDF). Retrieved 30/04/2008. Since February, UNFICYP had been conducting negotiations with the Turkish Forces/Turkish Cypriot Security Forces to allow for the clearance of additional minefields. In August 2006, both Forces made a commitment in writing to enter into negotiations to extend existing demining guidelines to include all remaining minefields in the buffer zone laid by the Turkish Forces. Discussions to make progress on this important issue continued between UNFICYP and the Turkish Forces/Turkish Cypriot Security Forces. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 75 (help) "International Media Document". Retrieved 30/04/2008. UNFICYP is not mandated to investigate the contents of minefields. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help) "Greek Cypriot Document". Retrieved 30/04/2008. Referring to allegations by the Greek Cypriot Side on the issue, Mr Murat made it clear that the pedestrian overpass being built at the Lokmaci Barricade is completely on the soil of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Minister added that the views of the Turkish Cypriot Side on the issue were also supported by the spokesperson for UNFICYP Brian Kelly in his statement yesterday. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); line feed character in |quote= at position 225 (help)

Removed Pride Flag[edit]

I removed the Rainbow Flag as it's not really specific to Ledra St. Gay Pride starts here, but instead of having a generic flag, why not add a picture of the march itself? Otherwise one might was well include symbols of anti-nuclear protesters as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.214.249 (talk) 13:48, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed statement about Gay Pride. It is completely wrong. No Gay Pride has ever started from Ledras Street. The closest was the first, which started from Eleftheria square, which is close, but is not Ledras Street. The text also stated that it is the mayor who started holding Gay Prides, which is also factually wrong as it is LGBT organisations. He merely provided symbolic support to the marches. This piece of misinformation was especially problematic, as it appeared to advertise the mayor as a politician, rather than provide neutral, factual information. --Tco03displays (talk) 09:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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