Talk:Lectorium Rosicrucianum

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Nothing "violates" the Lectorium article!

The Lectorium itself tells us it is a worldwide school of Esoteric Christianity, but in fact it has nothing to do with Christianity because of the lack of love, grace and mercy which is the signature of Christianity. If you prefer you can call it esoteric mystery school!

"Although suppressed by the Nazis during the war," is a great joke! There is no proof that this is true! Rijckenborgh was printing books in Holland during World War II! Nobody who was a enemy of the nazis could have done so!

Antonin Gadal was an Elementary school teacher, interrested in Cathar history, thats all!

It is also a great joke that this man, lifted Rijckenborgh to a "Grand-Master"!

The LR qualifies his movement as as a "Christo-centric Mystery School"! Why does the Lectorium wants to creep under the carpet of christianity? It has nothing to do whith christianity! It has no charity no love, no mercy! All efforts done there are selfish efforts, to achieve knowledge by magic! Thats typical Gnosis, like many gnostic churches and the O.T.O. reveal. But it has nothing to do with Christ! Talking about heart-processes is something totally different, than living by heart!

Europe22 keep off violating Christ! The teachings oft the lectorium are in contrast of christian view of the New Testament. The LR has a very special view and the group has its focus on (the Gospel of John and the Apocalypse), Catharism, the Corpus Hermeticum, the dualistic Gnosticism of the first centuries and the German literature of the first Rosicrucian trend, including Paracelsus. The gnostic view of the Lectorium of Christ knows no mercy and forgiveness.

The karma ideas of the Lectorium Rosicrucianum are not included in the New Testament and they leave no room for God's grace and forgiveness through Christ wrought. "Christo-centric" in the words of the Lectorium, mean knowledge and not love and mercy.

I prefer Europe22 you take a look to the german wikipedia article!

Founding: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectorium_Rosicrucianum#Gr.C3.BCndung_und_Entwicklung_des_Lectorium_Rosicrucianum_nach_dem_Zweiten_Weltkrieg

Nazi-time, the Lectorium did not exist! http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_van_Rijckenborgh#Deutsche_Besatzungszeit_1940_-1945

The lectorium is organized like a typical babylonic-egyptian mystery school. It has a strong anti-christian and anti-jewish signature and therfore there is no sign of Christo-centric! Gnosticism is mostly reduced to magic enforcement, without caring about other people! And so does the lectorium!

Life is pain and always leading to death is a typical lectorium viewpoint and it is a buddhistic viewpoint too! It ist obvous that the manichaen ideas come from buddhism and this ideas went to the bogumils and cathars! There is nothing wrong with buddhism, but why do you call a typical babylonic-egyptian mystery school with buddhistic ideas "Esoteric Christianity", "Christian Gnosticism" or "Christo-centric Mystery School"?

These kind of fakes and lies do not lead to the peace and love, "christ" really gives!

Larvamur — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larvamur (talk • contribs) 02:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Larvamur, your comment above shows you are engaged in a anti-LR crusade because of your pro-"Christ" activism. If you want, you can write this kind of things on a forum or a website, but not on WP where every contribution must comply with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, including WP:POV, WP:OR and WP:V. Thank you. --Europe22 (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

@Europe22 Please stop violating edits that are based on highly discussed wikipedia articles!

Founding: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectorium_Rosicrucianum#Gr.C3.BCndung_und_Entwicklung_des_Lectorium_Rosicrucianum_nach_dem_Zweiten_Weltkrieg

Nazi-time, the Lectorium did not exist! http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_van_Rijckenborgh#Deutsche_Besatzungszeit_1940_-1945

So stop telling lies about "the group was persecuted by the Nazis"! Your edits must comply with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, including WP:POV, WP:OR and WP:V

The lectorium did not exist during World War 2, so what?

Rijckenborgh himself did a crusade against the mystical and loving sight of christ, so why are you so thin-skinned?

What is so bad about the Definition hermetic, esoerteric mystery school?

You spit in the face of christ, with your gnostic-hermetic magic. You are a lectorium rosicrucianum advertising man, placing self-representations of the sect here in Wikipedia! Larvamur

CESNUR site says: "When the Nazis entered Holland the movement was forbidden, its possessions confiscated and its temples razed. Several members, including Jewish members, found their death in the gas chambers. After the difficulties of the war the movement adopted the name LR in 1945." The statement you removed is based on a reliable source (WP:RS). Please refrain from making this edit that violates WP policies. And for your information, I'm not a member of this LR, I never heard of it before contributing to this article. --Europe22 (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, but the school has a lot of love and compassion among its members and pupils. Anyone that have been inside can testify on that. And about the non-existence of the school during WW2, it is false. The School was shut, indeed, at some point, and the nazis knocked on its doors and interdicted it several times, after van Rijckenborgh kept publishing things. So he stopped, but a small group was still meeting in Haarlem, keeping the fire alive. And the reason for which he was not killed or so, it is because the nazis wanted to annex the Netherlands to it's plan, as the dutch were also considered arian race, by Hitler. And the school has also a lot of references on Christianity, basing it's structure and services on the New Testament in the highest measure, even though it also has a lot of influences and uses a lot of teachings from other religions, such as Taoism, Theosophy, Gnosticism and Hermeticism. (Sergiu, Romania) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.21.137.22 (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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We are drawn to the adept as the adept is drawn to us. Your personal cross: what is it? Visualise it - see its hard and unforgiven wood. Now see the green bud agasint the grey - it will blossom into a rose. No theistic or demonic entity will hinder you: your cross will bloom if you encourage it; its carpet will spread and overwhelm the cross, burying it forever. Your light is yours and yours alone; control of your daily energy is yours - not to be influenced by those bitter figures of the past. See them for what they are - events, not feelings, irrevocable and thus dead - not influencing of your daily energy. See them clearly, conjure them up, the parents and others, bow gently and hand them one of your roses, then dismiss their hold over your daily energy for ever. Now take a deep breath; a symbolic metaphor of the ether and subtle body. Establish your symmetry. Look again at the lectorium from time to time. The above unsigned comment was posted 03:13, October 14, 2006 by 150.101.122.132

Hmmmm... Could you sign this please? Who wrote it? Someone from the Lectorium? :-) ThePeg 22:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Pleased to see this article has been expanded from my original few lines. ThePeg (talk) 15:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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A subject-matter expert is needed to consult the various references available on this organization and to insert footnotes throughout the text.

Also, the latter portion of the entry reads like an advertising brochure for the organization. I am somewhat uncomfortable with it, but not so uncomfortable that I feel a need to delete it.

Estéban (talk) 04:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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This entry is whitewashed - no info on criticism of LR as a sect

This English entry for the Lectorium Rosicrucianum is a complete whitewash - there is no information on the massive criticism of it, pertaining to its sect-like character. And I say this as a former member of that sect who feels very damaged by it. The German Wikipedia entry is quite different - there are masses of info on LR as a sect, and its occult character. This Wikipedia page is obviously being monitored by the LR leadership and criticisms edited out. You need to root these people out and ban them from editing. And someone needs to put some truth about it into this English entry, with references, e.g. the Dutch book by former LR member Elly Sterk, Uit de School Geklappt. I could edit this entry myself, I suppose but I still find that whole experience (most especially with the German branch of LR) very upsetting. Chalk giant (talk) 06:39, 29 October 2023 (UTC)