Talk:Leaf by Niggle

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Review: August 1, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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POV[edit]

I've modified the analysis section to remove the religious POV tone. This is not the only possible interpretation. ~ UrbaneLegend 11:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon.com commercial[edit]

I've edited away the Amazon.com reference because it's looks like a commercial for the website. If someone states it's important for the text, I suggest it could be somewhere as a "The book may be available in internet bookstores." Wikipedia should not be a sellers market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.39.93.35 (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation[edit]

"Tolkien was compulsive in his writing, his revision, his desire for perfection in form and in the "reality" of his invented world, its languages, its chronologies, its existence. Like Niggle, Tolkien came to abandon other projects or graft them onto his "Tree," Middle-earth. Like Niggle, Tolkien faced many chores and duties that kept him from the work he loved."

That text is taken virtually word for word from the one website given in the External Links section. It should be deleted or rewritten; unfortunately, I can't come up with any good way to rewrite it at the moment. Anybody? ... Beuller? -- CWesling (talk) 06:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, that site stole its text from the original words I wrote, not the other way around. Moot now since I see the text in question remains part of the article. -- user:Cayzle —Preceding undated comment added 16:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

Passed. 123Writer ^talk 16:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Leaf by Niggle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 1TWO3Writer (talk · contribs) 07:45, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this article as part of the 2023 August backlog. From a preliminary viewing, there are no reasons to quick fail (this pdf seems to be a copy from the Wikipedia article, ergo not copyvio).

Noted, and many thanks for reviewing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

No issues here, complies with MOS:LEAD as it gives an accurate overview of the short story, with the context provided and referenced in the article body.

Noted.

Context[edit]

Again, no issues. Relevant due to info provided in Analysis.

Noted.

Plot summary[edit]

Does not go over the 700 word guideline. Relevant detail for the remainder of the article.

Noted.

...but Niggle's next door neighbour, a gardener named Parish, frequently drops by asking for various forms of help. Parish is lame and has a sick wife and genuinely needs help. Niggle, having a good heart, takes time out to help... Feels awkward. Could be rewritten to be more concise and flowing. I'd recommend removing at least one instance of the word help.

Done.

He has not prepared, and as a result ends up in a kind of institution, in which he must perform menial labour each day. Further context is needed for those unfamiliar with the story; why would being unprepared lead Niggle to being institutionalized? A reason for the trip should be provided. If you don't want to bulk up the article, the However, there are many mundane chores and duties that prevent Niggle from giving his work the attention it deserves could be made more concise.

Edited both.

...lovely place... Lovely is not needed in my opinion.

Removed.

Publication history[edit]

Spot-check of sources show coverage. No issues I think.

Noted.

Analysis[edit]

Allegory[edit]

Spot-check shows sources are good.

Noted.

Of the journey of death[edit]

Spot-check on sources seem good.

Noted.

..."Leaf by Niggle" could lead to the conclusion that the allegory of "Leaf by Niggle"... Repetitive, I think. Fixed.

...just such a text", ... Unsure as to whether this quote mark was a typo or part of a larger blockquote.

Removed.

Of Tolkien's life[edit]

Sources again are good. I really like the table and think it fits.

Thank you.

...a horrible procrastinator. Perhaps "horrible" can be replaced with another word?

Done.

Of creation and sub-creation[edit]

Sources are good. Concise, well-written. Also provides enough description to understand the point without overindulgence. Good use of hatnote.

Noted.

Surrealistic dream memory[edit]

...1939, shortly before the start of the Second World War, when he woke up with the story, "that odd thing", in his mind "virtually" complete. "That odd thing" needs some clarification: is it referencing the story? Otherwise, solid, sources check out. ~~Perhaps another image here as well, like Tolkien with his beloved trees.~~ On further reflection, unneeded.

Glossed.

Visual imagery[edit]

Source is good, section covers main points.

Noted.

Overall[edit]

Just some nitpicks that, after being addressed, will surely make the article GA-worthy. I can tell this isn't your first GAN as the article really only had minor issues (also because of the number next to your name).

Many thanks! I think that's everything done now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it is. All's good! 123Writer ^talk 16:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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