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Nickname[edit]

Query - does anyone know how "Jinty's" got their nickname? -- Tivedshambo (talk) 07:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was a mistake made by Tri-ang Railways which entered popular culture. According to Brian Haresnape (Fowler Locomotives, Ian Allan 1972, p. 54), the nickname really belongs to "the little 0-4-0T", although it's unclear whether he means the Midland Railway 1528 Class 0-4-0T of 1907 or the LMS Kitson 0-4-0ST of 1932. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I propose the merging of WD ex-LMS Fowler Class 3F into this article. The former is not particularly long, and could probably do fine as a separate section here, particularly as most of them were returned to either the LMS or BR. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nom. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is not necessary. They were taken out of LMS capital stock, hence are no longer LMS engines, and into WD stock so were WD engines. They were then taken into SNCF stock, so that's actually a fair argument SNCF Class 030-whatever they were classified as. Tony May (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

broken link[edit]

Link no. 1 delivers: "The collection you have requested from this gallery does not exist or is not available." ––84.177.0.107 (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True; removed. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two Survivors[edit]

According to abrail.co.uk/SBPhotographs.htm ex BR/LMS 47564 survived as a stationary boiler (with tanks removed & cab much altered) numbered 2022. It was at Red Bank carriage sidings, Manchester, until 1972, making it the last standard-gauge locomotive used, admittedly not as a tracton unit, by BR. This source may not be reliable by wikipedia standards but further research may yield interesting information on 3F history. 47239 was in industrial service in BR livery & numbering at at Williamthorpe colliery in 1969 according to a `Return to Steam' vidoe sleeve (again probably not reliable) but may be interesting.

Unusual Livery for 47327[edit]

In the film 'Train of Events' BR (LMR) 47327 appears to be lined with a single light-coloured line on its tank and bunker sides. A single red line would be as per pre-war LMS livery but the lining appears to be too light for this. It may be post-war LMS 'straw', but such a livery was not, as far as I know, LMS standard. The lining is thin, of one colour,very close to the edge of tank and bunker sides, and not the LNWR-style BR mixed traffic livery. Is it a BR experimental livery, or specially applied for the film (unlikely)? The loco has 'British Railways' on is tank sides the number in Gill Sans on the bunker sides, but no smokebox number plate. Any thoughts? Barney Bruchstein (talk) 10:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with black-and-white film is that colour sensitivity is not the same as the human eye. Modern panchromatic emulsions are approximately the same, but the orthochromatic emulsions that were in common use right down to the 1950s were almost completely insensitive to red light, so a red subject comes out black (or nearly so) in the final positive. They were also more sensitive to green and blue than to yellow, so blue subjects turn out lighter than yellow subjects. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In fiction - incorrect statement removed[edit]

In the "In fiction" section it said the Jinty was the only engine available in 1930 in Chris Sawyer's Transport Tycoon. That is not correct. From the beginning, there are further available the Collet Pannier Tank engine and the Gresley A3 engine (Flying Scotsman). Therefore, I removed that piece of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.92.101 (talk) 13:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

47564 is not a preserved engine[edit]

47564 is not preserved - it has been scrapped by the preservationists. I don't think it's a good idea to list it with the preserved engines. Tony May (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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modified the valve type[edit]

the valve type was actually piston valves so i had to replace slide valves with piston valves.. 73.250.53.193 (talk) 14:22, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source for that? According to

Haresnape, Brian (February 1981) [1972]. Fowler Locomotives: A Pictorial History. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 52. ISBN 0-7110-0374-2. CX/0281.

they had slide valves. I have a much more detailed book on order:

Hunt, David; Jennison, John; Essery, Bob (2010). LMS Locomotive Profiles Number 14: The Standard Class 3 Freight Tank Engines. Wild Swan. ISBN 978 1 905184 80 4.

which should include engineering drawings which will confirm the matter. The front cover image does suggest a slide valve loco. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]