Talk:Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan

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The article's voice is that of a member or recruiter of the group and not a neutral observer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.147.89 (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Surely. This article was written by only based on the official website of this organization and we cannot see any third-party sources. Unfortunately it's nothing but their propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I have added a scholarly third-party reference.  Nipsonanomhmata  ^(Talk) 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not enough. Moreover, David Romano doesn't use the term East Kurdistan. Takabeg (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Have changed the term "East Kurdistan" to "Iran" (see "Iranian Kurdistan").  Nipsonanomhmata  ^(Talk) 12:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say that we must not use the term East Kurdistan :) It was problem related only with providing sources. I think we can use East Kurdistan (Rojhilatê Kurdistanê) in articles. For example, we can write ...they call East Kurdistan (Kurdish: Rojhilatê Kurdistanê) of course it's necessary to use sources. Takabeg (talk) 12:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Name

According to their official website, the English name of this organization is Komala. Takabeg (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It's similar to KOMELA (Komeleyê Jiyanêwê Kurdistan). Takabeg (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

RfC about Komala PIK's Ideology

Proposal

Previous version

According to a little text on the PSIA of Japan (Public Security Intelligence Agency) website which bases on the allegation of Iranian Intelligence service which in May 2014 reportedly arrested three members of the Komala organization allegedly suspected in the case of the terrorist bomb attack in Mahabad on September 2010s, and according to the above text of Japan's PSIA, their describes Komala as a terrorist-like organization. Allegations of terrorist-like characteristics in the Komala have been made by IRGC members who have an official position at the Iranian regime who designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism by the U.S. BUREAU OF COUNTER-TERRORISM and also by the Islamic republic regime's journalists. According to the limited resources which says Komala PIK's ideology is a "Communism and Marxism–Leninism" (when there isn't a single source to support that the Komala PIK's ideology was ever designated a "Communism and Marxism–Leninism" after the splits from the Communist Party of Iran). We currently have several paragraphs in the article consisting of a list of people basically calling the Komala PIK's ideology is a Central-Left and a "Social-Democrat" party, and has adopted social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000. Indeed the Komala PIK is now a member of the Social Democrat family at European.

--Iranian Aland (talk) 14:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

New version: Shall we change the ideology of Komala PIK after all comments? I'm very curious about Komala PIK's ideology, I want this issue to be cleared for all readers.--Iranian Aland (talk) 08:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

From 1942 to 1945 Komala (committee) was the name of a political party Iranian Kurds in Mahabad had formed in September 1942. Its complete name in Kurdish was Komalay Jiyanaway Kurd (J. K.), or Committee for the Revival of the Kurds, so the party has also been referred to as simply J. K. As far as Amnesty International is aware, they have not attacked non-military targets nor have they committed human rights abuses.

--Iranian Aland (talk) 14:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• The Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is Abdullah Mohtadi (The Region, 3 January 2018). An October 2014 press release by PR Newswire adds that “the Komala Party is an Iranian opposition party fighting for a free, democratic Iran inclusive of all religious and ethnic minorities” (PR Newswire, 13 October 2014).--Iranian Aland (talk) 09:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

http://komalah.org/english/program/3006.html--Iranian Aland (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

In their program they state that they are a Marxist party whose intentions are to build a socialist society based on from the ability to the need. Although I don't see any explicit reference to communism I'd think that it's fair to say that they are not social democrats.Onthehook (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The party is the Kurdish branch of the Communist Party of Iran. Albeit CPI is not a classical Marxist-Leninist party, I think it's fair to use the label communist. --Soman (talk) 05:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

@Soman You are mistaken. Wikipedia in general is not based on democracy, but on certain policies. However, when sourced content is disputed and submitted to RfC, the number of user votes is what counts.

Any link pointing to this wiki rule? [[4]]--Iranian Aland (talk) 11:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

According to other sources Komala had experienced other splits earlier. In 1991 the main figure of the ICP, Mansur Hekmat, alongside a major group of the leaders and cadres of the ICP resigned from the party and founded the Worker Communist Party of Iran. There have been at least four major splits in the WCPI during recent years. The Iranian Communist Party also has been subject to a range of splits. Some of the leaders of the ICP, under the leadership of Abdullah Mohtadi, split from the party in 2000 and reorganized the older Komala, i.e., the Revolutionary Organization of the Toilers of the Iranian Kurdistan.

For more information you can read The Political, Cultural, and Military Re-Awakeningof the Kurdish Nationalist Movement in IranThere are now five organizations that are active under the same name of Komala: 1) The Kurdistan Organization of the Iranian Communist Party-Komalah (note the “h” at the end of the name, apparently influenced by the Persian pronunciation of the name) under the leadership of Ibrahim Alizadeh; 2) The Revolutionary Organization of Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan, under the leadership of Abdulla Mohtadi. In the 12th congress of Komala in August 2007, Komala modified its name in Persian to Hezb-e Komala-ye Kordestan-e Iran (Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan); the Kurdish version remained unchanged.3) The Organization of Toilers of Kurdistan, led by Omar Ilkhanizade; 4) Komalay Shorshgeri Zahmatkeshani Kurdistani Eran — Rewti Yekgrtnewe (The Revolutionary Organization of Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan — Reunification Faction), led by Abdulla Konaposhi. This faction split to form Mohtadi’s Komala on April 29, 2008, accusing Abdullah Mohtadi of non-democratic management of Komala and a policy of cooperation with Reza Pahlavi and the monarchists in Iran. 5) On July 15, 2009 a group of ICP cadres announced that they, following their split from the ICP, would work as Rewti Sosialisti Komala (Socialist Faction of Komala).--Iranian Aland (talk) 12:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it is not fair to label Komala as a Marxist group based on wrong information and wrong references as has been mentioned above. This information which is based on the link above is not correct. this link http://komalah.org/english/program/3006.html Archived 2012-05-18 at the Wayback Machine which is been used as a reference dos not belong to the Komala Party Of Iranian Kurdistan. this is Komalah CPI. to represent Komala you may use this link http://www.komalainternational.org/2018/03/05/komalas-beliefs. Thanks --Yelmaz23 (talk) 02:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

That is not true, Komala is a social democrat party from Kurdistan of Iran. Komala party has adopted the social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000, komala is now a member of Social Democrat family Ms. judit neurink says in several article Komala is a social democrat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keywan faramarzi (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Keywan faramarzi (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC) Komala stands for a democratic, pluralist, secular, and federal Iran that is based on the rule of law which guarantees and safeguards the fundamental liberties and human rights of all ethnic groups in Iran. It advocates for a broad-based democratic coalition in Iran and for solidarity amongst ethnic and religious minorities that historically have been marginalized and persecuted by Iran’s current Islamist regime. Having adopted the European social democracy model as a fair and appropriate solution for the diverse Iran, Komala has been promoting that political model both in Iran and within its Kurdish region inside Iran. @ Keywan Faramarzi, Komala party has adopted the social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000--Yelmaz23 (talk) 03:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Komala is a social democrat party from Kurdistan of Iran. Komala party has adopted the social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000, komala is now a member of Social Democrat family Ms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IranAzad2020 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"Thank you all editors, I was going to ask the same thing. Maybe we can start a new RfC for this? I see "Marxist" or "Leninism" and "Communism" as part of Komala's ideology in faraway past years. In the other articles, I've seen this Komala Party separation to three-branched. Maybe we can start a new RfC for this? We must be cleared that issue for all people."--Iranian Aland (talk) 15:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

There are many other old stories about Komala's ideology! The author of this article, in fact, is trying to portray various probabilities and is not saying which side is right nor he says he did ask the politicians, even dosn't referred to new sources. Actually, to show the doubt, he's asking "Who to believe"? Moreover, regarding the former members he says: And the former members? Nor he says the Komala positions among the Iranian opposition? Also just referred to the oldest sources before the branched of Komala Party!That's why this article seems misleading.Pay attention now Komala Party have three branches and each has its own beliefs.

--Iranian Aland (talk) 09:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

The Danish Immigration Service (DIS) and the Danish Refugee Council (DRC) report identifies the following three Komala parties: 1) the Kurdistan Organization of the Communist Party of Iran, Komala (Sazman-e Kurdistan-e Hezb-e Kommunist-e Iran, SKHKI), 2) the Komala of Toilers of Kurdistan and the Komala Party of Kurdistan (Komala Zahmatkeshane) Kurdistan, KZK) and 3) the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (DIS/DRC, 30 September 2013, pp. 40-48).

--Iranian Aland (talk) 08:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

KICKING AROUND KOMALA VERSION: At articles made many false and misleading statements, a tactic unprecedented in Wikipedia politics. I think this problem due to lack of sources

How is it possible that a party has three branches without any change in their beliefs?

When you read the articles of other branches of this Party, they all have one common ideological structure i.e "Communism", "Marxism–Leninism"! This is a serious factor in misleading the audience.

If they have a common ideological structure Why did they branch by different leaders?

• Komala CPI

• Komala of the Toilers of Kurdistan

• Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan – Reunification Faction

  --Iranian Aland (talk) 14:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

During Iran’s freedom movement on November 19, 2019, Abdullah Mohtadi, the secretary-general of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Komala PIK), says, Iranian Kurdish parties are coordinating their activism with the national movement.

"During Iran’s freedom movement on 19 November 2019, Abdullah Mohtadi, the secretary-general of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Komala PIK), says Kurdish activists use Iraqi SIM cards to gain access to the Internet. The participation of the Kurds in the national protests this time also marks a change. Kurdish Iranians have protested the regime for decades, but their protests are often against the regime’s treatment of the Kurdish minority. This time, he says, Iranian Kurdish parties are coordinating their activism with the national movement." You can read more on How Activists Are Getting Around Iran’s Internet Blackout.

I think the Komala PIK shows their separation from communist ideology because of:

• On November 19, 2019, Abdullah Mohtadi, the secretary-general of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Komala PIK), says, Iranian Kurdish parties are coordinating their activism with the national movement.

• On September 30, 2020, Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, reacted positively to Prince Reza Pahlavi's “New Covenant.

According to a KEYHANLIF article, Prince Reza Pahlavi presented his “new covenant” in a live broadcast. He said his speech was a “response to the innumerable messages of those of you who are rightly worried about Iran and its future.” He said his motivation was “to establish a system in which power is never monopolized by one individual or one group. Every Iranian across the country, irrespective of gender, ethnicity, religion, ideology, lifestyle, must accept responsibility and share equally in decision making in their future and that of the country. One-man rule and pyramidal power structures, in today’s world, are not sufficient to meet the needs of a pioneering and dynamic society.”

• In Michael Totten's book "Tower of the Sun: Stories From the Middle East and North Africa" says They (Komala PIK) should like European-style democrats.

Michael Totten at his book wrote: "We are for democratic values," Mohtadi told me. "We are for political freedoms, religious freedoms, secularism, pluralism, equality of men and women, Kurdish rights, social justice. We are for good labor law, labor unions. There is an element of the left in our political programs." They should like European-style democrats.--Iranian Aland (talk) 07:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Komala has been a long advocate of human rights in Iran. It has promoted the fights of women, children, professionals in different industries and the labor force as well..

--IranAzad2020 (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Questions regarding the RfC about Komala PIK's ideology

We currently have several paragraphs in the article consisting of a list of people basically calling the Komala PIK's ideology is a Central-Left and a "Social-Democrat" party. But in a section title that misleadingly says Komala PIK's ideology is a "Communism and Marxism–Leninism" (when there isn't a single source to support that the Komala PIK's ideology was ever designated a "Communism and Marxism–Leninism" after the splits).

I thought the "Social-Democrat" initial suggestion of coming to an agreement about the final wording was a good idea since we could look at the sources and determine proportion according to sources, etc. So I don't understand why this does not reach "consensus"?

Regards--Iranian Aland (talk) 11:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

If you need any more correct information about the Komala, please, look the international media in perzisch or Kurdish, because komala is in the middle east and most sources such as media are with middle east languagesKeywankomala (talk) 05:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

In June 2010 on BBC: Komala is a social democratic political party from the Kurdish region of Iran, Komala has been seeking a secular democratic federal ruling system to replace the current theocratic regime. In December, 2008 in the reportage from Voice of America it is an international news and broadcast organization: komala's struggle is for secularism and federalism. The rest of the above sources are interview and comment that komala is anti-terrorismKeywankomala (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Proposal reflecting the RfC consensus

I think this would be a middle ground proposal that considers the Vice regent's proposal and the RfC consensus:

Sources such as the European governments and certain academics and journalists have described Komala as having Social-Democrat characteristics. Other sources of the Iranian regime, and also IRGC's proxies have referred to some of these allegations as “falsified information.

--Iranian Aland (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

since a long time ago, komala has publicly accepted the social democracy as its ideological policy. Komala is no longer a communist party and that’s part of history. Soufi1355 (talk) 16:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It is obvious I. It’s new policies and programs, supports a democratic decentralized Iran and because the country is ethnically and religiously diverse, Komala advocates a federal system of government to provide and secure freedoms for all.--MiladAz92 (talk) 14:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@MiladAz92: So Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan stands for a democratic, pluralist, secular, and federal Iran that is based on the rule of law which guarantees and safeguards the fundamental liberties and human rights of all ethnic groups in Iran.Keywankomala (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Having adopted the European social democracy model as a fair and appropriate solution for the diverse Iran, Komala has been promoting that political model both in Iran and within its Kurdish region inside Iran.Arthur.england2 (talk) 11:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Why did you revert changes?

@Vif12vf:, what is the reason for your changes in my edits? I have explained very well why and how I did these changes, includes your "properly sourced content", which it's obvious what is the mentioned one in original quote is Komala J-Q. In the history of Iranian Kurdistan there is at least 5 Komala: 1) The Society for the Revival of Kurdistan (Komeley Jiyanewey Kurd, also abbreviated as "Komala Je-Qaf/Kaf", "Komala J-Q/k", or basically Komala), which later founded Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan; 2) Komala (1969-1983), founded after participants 1967-8 Iranian Kurdistan uprising who adopted pro-China position, and united with already existing pro-China groups in Iranian Kurdistan, with the help Komala-ye Ranjdaran in Iraq, 3) Komala, Kurdistan Organisation of the Communist Party of Iran, still exists and led by Ibrahim Alizadeh, 4) Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, led by Abdullah Mohtadi, split from Komala CPI in 2000 [which this is the group we're talking about], pro-Western, part of Socialist International and definitely not communist; 5) Komala-Komala Zahmetkeshan Kurdistan (Komala-KZK) or Komala-Kurdistan Toiler's Party, led by Omar Elkhanizadeh, split from Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan in 2000's, in ideological sense same with Abdullah Mohtadi but his views on civil struggles more positive than armed struggle.
So your "properly sourced content" is nothing but a misunderstanding. Also, I made an important edit: Organisation declared restart of it's armed struggle in 2017 and I have added this information and gave source for it. Why did you reverted this?
You said: "Primary sources are not accepted for ideologies.", than what is the source? Even these things I have added declared by themselves isn't propagandist way and "non-primary" sources mostly talks about this groups existence (like armed struggle or relations with other Kurdish groups), nothing much about it's ideology (and important part of it talks about their ideology gaves wrong information, like you defended). You said: "You also added unsourced ideologies which is not a good thing.", then I had to ask: What is your source for communism and Maoism? First of all, Komala rejected Mao in it's 1979 congress and taken a pro-Albania line. Later, after 1981, they take a similar line with Mansoor Hekmat's Union of Communist Militans and in 1983 united with semi-ouvrierist groups like Union of Communist Militans and some post-Mao groups (after collapse of Peykar and Razmendagan [both pro-Mao]). This Komala Party, which split from original Komala in 2000, does not uphold communism in any way. I couldn't add sources on these issues, because they're way pragmatist to write their exact ideology in their English web site. But this issue also mentioned in Komala CPI's article in wikipedia. Also it's obvious for a movement which part of Socialist International, they can't be a Maoist or communist group. Also, their pro-American line too proves that.
I demand an explanation from you to defend your revert. I have explained everything I can and gave sources which I can add.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• “In 1991 the main figure of the CPI [Iranian Communist Party], Mansur Hekmat, alongside a major group of the leaders and cadres of the CPI resigned from the party and founded the Worker Communist Party of Iran. Some of the leaders of the CPI, under the leadership of Abdullah Mohtadi, split from the party in 2000 and reorganized the older Komala, i.e., the Revolutionary Organization of the Toilers of the Iranian Kurdistan. The Revolutionary Organization of Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan, under the leadership of Abdulla Mohtadi. In the 12th congress of Komala in August 2007, Komala modified its name in Persian to Hezbe Komala-ye Kordestan-e Iran (Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan); the Kurdish version remained unchanged.

• Similarly, a 2006 book by David Romano, an assistant professor of International Studies at Rhodes College (USA), states that in 1991, a “group of mainly non-Kurdish members […] split off from the CPI [Communist Party of Iran]” (which had emerged in 1983 as a union between Komala and the Union of Communist Militants) and formed the Worker-Communist Party of Iran (WPI) (Romano, 2006, p. 239).--Iranian Aland (talk) 09:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vif12vf: I'm still waiting for an explanation. Your revert of changes ends with giving people wrong or non-actual informations. If you won't give me good explanation and if you won't defend your position then I'm gonna revert back this article to my changes.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 06:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Vif12vfyou write with feeling but not with the factKeywan faramarzi (talk) 11:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @HistorfofIran @ Vif12vf @ LouisAragon You seem to be interested very much in contributing to this article and I welcome that as long as you are being honest and truthful. You seem to be confused between Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Komala PIK, and The [Organization of Communist Party of Iran, Komala CPI]. Ideologically, these two are different; Komala PIK is advocating a social democracy model and that's why it's a member of Socialist International and Progressive Alliance. Komala CIP is still a communist party. Historically speaking, Komala PIK joined Komala CIP and a decade later the leaders of Komala PIK thought it was a mistake and left Komala CIP. These facts need to be reflected in the article to be fair and truthful. Please explain why you insist on saying the opposite. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Read WP:True and WP:NOTTRUTH, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran I have read both and added reliable sources for the points I want to add. For this article to be neutral and fair, it needs to say the [[5]]. It's true that Komala PIK at some point joined Komala CPI, but that is history now and should be mentioned so. Now Komala PIK is advocating social democracy and is working for a secular democratic federal Iran as reflected in its platform and membership in ITC and SI and PA. Based on their membership rules and regulations, these international platforms of progressives, socialists and social democrats do NOT accept a communist party as a member. My point is to let the truth be reflected in this article and the truth is: Historically, Komala PIK joined Komala CPI at some point, but later it decided to leave because of ideological differences. Since it left Komala CPI, it has adopted social democracy and its values in its platform. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @ LouisAragon. We are here to have a civil debate. You deleted my additions saying people do not agree with my additions. What do you mean by people? This talk page is for people to come and argue their opinions. I don't support an editing war, but we are not allowing disinformation and misinformation either. Look at the sources provided and argue what you don't agree with, why and provide your sources. Thank you!--Khasrow1976 (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @ Vif12vf This page should be changed because Komala is not a terrorist group . And this party has shifted to Social Democracy since 2000. Soufi1355 (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I think for a great article we need to great sources that don't misguided the readers. When talking about Iran please don't forget the Islamic Republic regime of Iran is an unusual government. and the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world. We as writers or editors of articles should be present the real issues. You know and absolutely clear this article doesn't use any recent acts of this Party and also the many changes in the ideology of this Party which happened. The Iranian regime continues to leverage cyber-espionage, propaganda, and attacks to support its security priorities, influence events and foreign perceptions, and counter threats—including against US allies in the region. The Syrian, Iraqi, and Yemeni conflicts will continue to aggravate the rising Sunni Shia sectarian conflict, threatening regional stability.--Iranian Aland (talk) 13:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @ Vif12vf LouisAragon The Komala is an Iranian Kurdish Party established in 1969. Its members at the time consisted of Kurdish leftist students and intellectuals mainly from Tehran but also from other Kurdish towns. Founded on socialist values, Komala fights for Kurdish rights and a democratic, secular and pluralist federal Iran.

The government of Iran perceives any sort of political or civil activism as a potential threat; as such both political activists and civil activists are at risk of being persecuted. You can see the Iranian Kurds Consequences of political activities in Iran and KRI:

• The level of civil political activities conducted by the Iranian Kurdish opposition parties, specifically KDPI and Komala in Iran is generally limited due to the scrutiny they are faced with. When the parties do conduct civil political activities, this is done in secrecy to prevent the authorities from clamping down on them. However, the parties support the activities of others, such as organizations that focus on environmental issues as well as social issues.
• These political parties are conducting propaganda activities to create awareness regarding the Iranian policies, encouraging people to protest by various peaceful and resolution-oriented methods, such as demonstrations, general strikes, and symbolic means, like wearing Kurdish clothes on special occasions.--Iranian Aland (talk) 12:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr. Mohtadi said. "The current Iranian regime is an unreliable international partner. Iranian Kurds – such as the Komala Party – are at the forefront of a democratic movement in Iran, which deserves the support of the West." Soufi1355 (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

At the Mediterranean Forum Conference on the Middle East, the Secretary-General for the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Abdullah Mohtadi, expressed his deepest support and sympathy to the Syrian brothers and sisters standing for their legitimate rights against any army of religious extremists. The Komala Party is an Iranian opposition party fighting for a free, democratic Iran inclusive of all religious and ethnic minorities. "Iran's vehement onslaught against its Kurds has been going on for decades. However, they are often overlooked," Mr. Mohtadi said. "The current Iranian regime is an unreliable international partner. Iranian Kurds – such as the Komala Party – are at the forefront of a democratic movement in Iran, which deserves the support of the West."

The Islamic Republic of Iran, also known as Iran and previously known as Persia, is a paradox in the Middle East. It is home to a proud and ancient culture whose ideals of freedom and democracy under Cyrus the Great helped form some of the foundations of the U.S. Constitution, while Iran itself has struggled to reach democracy. The Iranian people have been fighting to reach toward freedom throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. The Iranian people are largely pro-Western but are brutally subjugated by an anti-Western religious theocracy. Iran is an anomaly in the Middle East as the Iranian people do not speak Arabic, but rather Persian or “Farsi.” While there is diversity in Iran, the majority of the Iranian people are culturally, ethnically, and religiously unique from their surrounding neighbors.

Since the 1979 revolution, Iran’s regime has conducted terrorist attacks and assassinations in more than 20 countries.--Iranian Aland (talk) 10:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• I THINK. At this talk room some of the contributions go against Per: WP:EXCEPTIONAL / WP:UNDUE and WP:POV / WP:WEIGHT: policies. I believe that we should strive to present an accurate and valid article. Thank you.

  --Iranian Aland (talk) 15:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Komala is anti-terrorism. When the Kurdish Region of Iraq came under attack by the ISIS militants in 2014, Komala was one of the first Kurdish organizations that, on the request of Kurdistan Regional Government, deployed part of its Peshmerga force under the command of the KRG’s Ministry of Peshmerga to fight ISIS. Komala Peshmerga force was deployed near Kirkuk front where the ISIS threat was imminent and the force fought and pushed back ISIS alongside the KRG Peshmergas. During the same period, Komala Peshmerga force received training from the US-led Coalition against ISIS.Keywankomala (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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About consensus

@Vif12vf: @Pahlevun: for several days, your edits on Komala focusing on if Komala is communist or not. I gave several sources for Komala's stand and proved that they're social-democrats from words of General Secretary, Abdollah Mohtadi. But still you people, who can't give source for your positions, are demanding a concensus, which none of you contributed to this talk page. Before that I had mentioned to Vif12vf, but he did not responded. Pahlevun, who is not giving a source for it's change, also didn't replied me. There is 5 fractions of Komala, one of them is worker communist (CPI), other one is "socialist" (Socialist Komala), and remaining three fractions are all comes from Komala which refounded in 2000, and none of them has communist views. Elkhanzadeh's group split because they had disagreements with Mohtadi on armed struggle, for them civil struggles were primary. Other group split because of organisational issues. Nowadays I'm collecting sources on Komala (mostly in English, French, Turkish) because I'm planning to write an article for it in Turkish, so I'm familiar with this issue. If you have any sources on your claims, prove it. And for once, reply to me. All the things you people do is just reverting and not arguing. If you gonna contribute this talk page, then contribute. But don't expect from me waiting you until forever, I will wait few days and if none of you won't defend it's positions I think I have right to revert to my changes.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Beyaz Deriili. A few weeks ago, I was reading this piece by Al-Monitor and what drawn my attention the most, was mention of this Wikipedia page, and the fact that this organization wants its communist ideology kept out of sight –despite openly using red star as a symbol and carrying the word Zehmetkêşan in the Kurdish name, which is roughly proletariat–, because it wants to seek support in the United States (where they have formally registered as a lobby organization; and this ideology is clearly not embraced). As a result, there would be no surprise to see the group's leaders branding themselves as social democrats, democratic socialists or whatever like these. Another article published by the same source two years earlier highlights this. I took a look at the sources used in your proposed change, and as I understand, they are interviews and press release. As Wikipedia:Interviews points out, such sources are potentially problematic in regard to WP:RS policy. The two links are to dckurd.org and ekurd.net, whose reliability is questionable. I'm not proficient in Turkish, but I can say that the other source is definitely another interview that falls to the above-mentioned category at best. I personally prefer to use sources subject to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history) for articles like this, which advantages WP:SCHOLARSHIP over WP:NEWSORG sources. I welcome you presenting academic sources that state they are social democrats (for example), to see what we can do on the mainspace. Pahlevun (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: first of all, this is not only a interview, but an interview with organisations leader, which openly declares their positions. And I think for reliability, just because Al Monitor is a known source, it doesn't means that everything published in that (especially a complo theory like their hidden communism) correct. For academic sources, there is not much of thing about Komala which gives detailed info, their views etc. (mostly, revolutionary organisations, political journals, some news reports, for example these two: 1, 2 doing that), due to lack of understanding the organisation mostly (and also some sources mostly mix or confuse Komala Zahmetkeshan with Komala CPI). But still, let's assume for a moment that interview given by leader of that organisation is not reliable, or their documents etc. too, still I suppose it has a better reliability than complo theory or sourceless claims.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 04:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

No one claims that everything on that source (or any other) is the truth. More importantly, we work with Verifiability, not truth, so let's stick to WP:RS and WP:VER guidelines. I did not get you by "sourceless claims" in the article, because at the moment everything is well-sourced. Please make your intention specific. I stress again that I would welcome you bringing reliable sources to discussion. This is a little off our discussion, but I think it would be helpful to clarify more on the situation: many sources have doubted organizational independence of some Kurdish insurgent groups, for example PJAK is believed to be the same as PKK: same leadership, same resources, same people, different names in use. These kind of groups usually operate in cells, and to which group the cell belongs to is not so transparent (at least in the sources). A few days ago, some Iranian servicemen were killed in an attack but it is not known which Kurdish group was behind it [6] and I have not seen any group taking responsibility yet. Komala factions use the same name (and except one, the same symbol). Government of Japan does not distinguish between the factions led by Mohtadi and Alizade. Iranian sources maintain that despite their differences, objectives of Komala factions remain broadly aligned and they do cooperate like wings. The same applies to KDPI (HDKA) and KDP (HDK), who are even housed in the same building (known as The Democrat Castle). Komala publicly speaks in favor of Federalism (instead of Secessionism) but names its television network with the word it frequently uses, Rojhelat (eastern Kurditan), implying that the Kurdish-majority region of Iran is actually the eastern part of a single united Kurdistan. They use Flag of Kurdistan along with their own. There is too much commentary and if we use sources like ekurd.net or dckurd.org, the other side of story would probably be Fars News Agency (for example). To weight one narration over another would probably lead to a battleground. This is the reason that I insist on using sources subject to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history). Such sources would help us write this article better. Pahlevun (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Pahlevun The terrorist organization label for Komala PIKN

You can see, according to a little text on the PSIA of Japan (Public Security Intelligence Agency) website which bases on the allegation of Iranian Intelligence service which in May 2014 reportedly arrested three members of the Komala organization allegedly suspected in the case of the terrorist bomb attack in Mahabad on September 2010s, and according to the above text of Japan's PSIA, their describes Komala as a terrorist-like organization. Allegations of terrorist-like characteristics in the Komala have been made by IRGC members who have an official position at the Iranian regime who designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism by the U.S. BUREAU OF COUNTER-TERRORISM and also by the Islamic republic regime's journalists.--Iranian Aland (talk) 13:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Well then, if "reliability" is more important for Wikipedia than truth, and not misinforming people, I won't struggle for it. If you all have piece in your mind for this, then I have peace in my mind for not correcting it too. Have a nice day you all.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 06:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Pahlevun you say that Komala has been trying to define itself as “social democrat” because of its lobbying efforts in the US since 2018, but that’s not TRUE. A joint Finnish - published in 2011 defines Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan as social democrat. See page 81 of the report here.--MiladAz92 (talk) 16:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

As far as the terrorism labeling is concerned, it is an unapproved allegation by the Iranian Intelligence officials. This is an accusation by an [which is itslef a state-sponsor of terroris]m with its IRGC also designated as a terrorist organization by the US. Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Statement from [Donald J. Trump] on the Designation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a Foreign Terrorist Organization on April 8, 2019: "Today, I am formally announcing my Administration’s plan to designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), including its Qods Force, as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. This unprecedented step, led by the Department of State, recognizes the reality that Iran is not only a State Sponsor of Terrorism, but that the IRGC actively participates in, finances, and promotes terrorism as a tool of statecraft. The IRGC is the Iranian government’s primary means of directing and implementing its global terrorist campaign."--Iranian Aland (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@khasrow @Pahlevun @Beyaz Deriili I have read the Japanese page carefully and the language is not clear as to which organization or which Komala was involved and the allegations are based on what the Iranian officials of intelligence have provided which is not reliable because the same officials have attributed it to Zionism and America. Besides, all the Kurdish political organizations including Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan condemned the terrorist act in Mahabad in a joint statement in 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yelmaz23 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun Beyaz Deriili Yelmaz23 According to two news reports by Los Angeles Times and Christian Science Monitor, the Iranian officials have accused Zionism, the US and PKK for the bombing attack in Mahabad.--MiladAz92 (talk) 19:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear @ Pahlevun, following the topic of the attacks of Mahabad, as @ MiladAz92 , @ Yelmaz23 and @ Beyaz Deriili have previously mentioned, i also have found some reports out. I think this article must publish Komala’s position on the Mahabad bombing to be fair and reliable. The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan and it’s leader, Abdullah Mohtadi, condemned the bombing in Mahabad immediately as mentioned in the WashingtonPost, BBC and Aljazeera. The Iranian officials in the province of West Azarbayjan accused the Israel, the US and PjAk for the bombing as usual without providing any evidence.--Halovand (talk) 12:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear contributors, I think the Islamic Republic of Iran is a dangerous regime in the world, indeed, Tehran has spent as much as $700 million per year to support terrorist groups. The Iranian regime will do whatever it takes to maintain its grip on power and spread its violent, revolutionary ideology.--Navid Atashbaz (talk) 07:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear friends and contributors: When Komala is used in Kurdish and Iranian politics, it can refer to three totally different organizations. First: The [Kurdsitan Organization of Iran Communist Party] led by Ibrahim Alizade , aka Komala CPI, which is a communist leaning organization. Second is the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan established in fall 1969, aka Komala PIK, which joined several other forces to establish Komala CPI in fall 1983. Before splitting from Komala CPI in 2000, Komala PIK Leadership had started to criticize the far left ideological and dogmatic views of Komala CPI which was in sharp contrast with the democratic views of the leaders of Komala PIK including human rights, women rights, freedoms, liberties and market economy. Third, [of the Toilers of Kurdistan], a small group led by Omar Ilkhanizade which split from the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan in 2007. As you can see, these are very different organizations and the only one leaning toward communism is the one led by Alizade while the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan defines itself as a moderate organization with social democratic values for a federal, secular and democratic. Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I’d like to add this point to the article if my fellow contributors agree. As can be seen in an article published by soldier of fortune, Komala leader Abdulla Mohtadi is a founding member of ITC, Iran Transition Council, an assembly of key figures and prominent personalities and organization that seeks a nonviolence democratic solution for the theocratic rule in Iran. Komala has long ceased its armed activities and is supporting a peaceful solution. Thanks Idin 2828 (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello everybody. I just found out a report published by Newsweek in which it clearly says Komala is supporting a democratic federal Iran and that the Komala Party is playing a leading role in uniting democratic forces for achieving that goal. Komala is a force for democracy and human rights and that needs to be reflected in this article to be fair and accurate. Thank you. MiladAz92 (talk) 09:03, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Keywan faramarzi (talk) 12:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Friends, if you agree, I think this part of the Japanese news will be removed!

@Pahlevun Beyaz Deriili Yelmaz23 Indeed I believe in the structure of a valid article that must be inserted the all necessary parameters relevant to the neutral references to build the form of a valid article. The most important issue above all the necessary parameters include trustworthy sources, especially these resources must be complete and accurate and also don't behave any roots in enmity, they must be completely neutral. But I see you're non-compliant with the law of written the article and just use the references that are based in the enmity, which rooted in the Iranian regime's sources. I think you are must be neutral, and at the main article analysis, the information on the current situation and the Komala PIK's position compared to other Kurdish parties and among the Iranian oppositions. You are in the as fierce critic form helping to invalidate the article and you deprive the readers of the benefit of a true and valuable article. Please think about this. you absolutely don't want to accept the reality, indeed you are always rejecting and ignoring all credible sources, and this is against international law, especially Wikipedia's law. Even the leader of this party Mr. Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, reacted positively to Prince Reza Pahlavi's “New Covenant”. And also, due to the many sources which you can search and read, the communist ideology is a delusion in this political period. If you want to serve a great article for readers, I recommend you for more trying in learning how to write a reliable article and avoid falsifying history, because this issue causes variation and schism of Iranian people's thoughts in negative forms. Look at your references, all these are the and based on relativity and allegations and non-neutral. You are in the unfair form trying to destroying a reformed political attitude which is in the harmony with the social-democrats' peacefully ideology in the world. Your dishonesty is recognizable due to your fake user names and the people distinguish between truth and falsehood references and I welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the page Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, you may have a conflict of interest with Komala PIK and I think due to this issues you are not neutral.If you are honest, muse be insert the IRGC is a terrorist organization Archived 2019-04-11 at the Wayback Machine, and also, write the Komala Party have a three-branch, which they are absolutely different in their ideologies.--Navid Atashbaz (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

For this conversation, I'm not interested with Komala because in this page (even though everybody knows the reality), there is a crime committed: Misinforming people, lying to people. That's why, I'm not interested with any of these debates, so I'm asking for contributors to do not @ my name in conversations. My contributions, which used both first hand and second hand sources, disregarded by other people and I'm not a dishonorable person who will insist to contribute in these kind of conditions. I'm not interested with anything about Komala or anything by Pahlevun in Wikipedia. Have a nice day.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 19:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Beyaz Deriili, @Pahlevun, Pahlevun has accused every one in this topic as komala affiliated and called every one fack name and account. this is against Wikipedia rules and regulations. it's very clear this name @Pahlevun is fake and from the point of view very easy you can tell this person is Professionally works on certain areas on Wikipedia that has a conflict of interest and the time this person spends and very quickly responding to every single comment we can assume this is a paid person and working for a state.--Yelmaz23 (talk) 02:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Vif12vf: @Pahlevun: @MiladAz92: Komala is against the use of violence for achieving political goals. Instead it has been backing peaceful demonstrations, protests and strikes. It is also against the use of children in times of conflicts and wars and a signatory to Geneva Call.Keywankomala (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Vif12vf: @Pahlevun: @MiladAz92:Komala Party also has been supporting the current US administration’s policies of designating IRGC as a terrorist organization and Maximum Pressure policy against the Islamic Republic of IranKeywankomala (talk) 08:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Keywankomala This is an A correct example for comparison Y. Thank you, and according to your sources that are clear Komala is against the use of violence for achieving political goals.--Iranian Aland (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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National Affiliation

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Iran Transition Council, [Congress of Nationalities for a Federal Iran], Solidarity for Freedom and Equality in Iran, the Council of Iranian Democrats. and Cooperation Center for Iranian Kurdistan Political Parties. The Secretary General of Komala, Abdulla Mohtadi, is the Secretariat for Special affairs of ITC and Nahid Bahmani, a leadership member of Komala, is the Secretariat of Ethnic Affairs of ITC. Khasrow1976 (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen the common goal of ITC and which is to achieve freedom, democracy, social justice, prosperity, and security by empowerment, expansion, and solidarity of social, civil, and non-violent movements. I'd like to say that point when the leader of Komala PIK Mr. Mohtadi ıs a member of ITC, that Party cannot carry the ideology of communism and they share a common goal with the Iranian opposition. I think the part of the Komala PIK in the article should be changed. Even the leader of this party Mr. Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, reacted positively toPrince Reza Pahlavi's “New Covenant.--Iranian Aland (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC).

--Iranian Aland (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, reacted positively to the speech. “In my opinion, this particular address of Mr. Pahlavi as well as his overall efforts are positive and in line with those of other forces within the democratic opposition seeking a real transition from the Islamic Republic,” he said. “To expand and strengthen these efforts, issues such as the decentralization of the political structure, the creation of regional bodies and assemblies, and education in the mother tongue will prepare the ground for a real and concrete dialogue.” for this issue, you can check this source.--Iranian Aland (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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Request edit on 8 October 2020

As a Kurdish observer and somebody with close working relation with the organization and with good knowledge of Kurdish politics, I believe this article needs some corrections. I have placed my contributions on the talk page and I am asking for correcting the following points:

First: When we talk about Komala, there are three distinct organizations working under the same shortened name. One of them is called [Kurdistan' Organization of Communist Party of Iran, Komala CPI]. This organization is the only Komala which is a communist party. The other two Komalas inclduing the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan and [of Toilers of Kurdistan]. The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a social democratic organization and exactly for this reason, it split from the Komala CPI in 2000. It has also been mentioned, in many occasions, by the leader of Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Abdullah Mohtadi, that his Komala is a social democratic force working for a secular federal democratic Iran. There are many sources in Kurdish and Persian in which Komala PIK is defined as a social democratic force by independent researchers and teh party leaders.

Second, When it comes to Japan's designation of organizations, the Japanese webpage and its language is very confusing and vague when it mentions both Komala PIK and Komala CPI. First of all, the sources are the mentioned to be Iranian intelligence officials, a country which has been designated as a state sponsor of terrorism by the US. Officials of a regime which is on the terrorism list is not a reliable source. Second, you can't accuse two different organizations of terrorism based on the same incident. Both Komala PIK and Komala CPI are being shown under Japan's designation list. This cannot be valid and reliable.

I hope independent reviewers can review and help in correcting the information.Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Khasrow1976 you made a very important point relating the wrong information been published about Komala PIK. As you mentioned komala is social democratic party The Komala leader Abdulah Mohtadi has stated this very cleary--Yelmaz23 (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC) Iranian Aland (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Declined. Requester is blocked. Also please formulate requests as "change X to Y" with sources cited. There is no way to tell what, exactly, is being proposed here. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 8 October 2020

Hello; this is a user with affiliation with the subject. I suggest the following section including new content to be added.

-- National Affiliation --

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Iran Transition Council, Congress of Nationalities for a Federal Iran, Solidarity for Freedom and Equality in Iran, the Council of Iranian Democrats. and Cooperation Center for Iranian Kurdistan Political Parties. The Secretary General of Komala, Abdulla Mohtadi, is the Secretariat for Special affairs of ITC and Nahid Bahmani, a leadership member of Komala, is the Secretariat of Ethnic Affairs of ITC. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Iranian Aland (talk) 06:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Declined. Requester is blocked. How are those organizations notable or significant? We don't include inline external links in article prose. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 9 October 2020

Ideology from 1969 to the present — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keywan faramarzi (talk • contribs) 21:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

XKeywan faramarzi (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not really clear what you want to have changed. Please provide (reliable) sources to each phrase you want to include in the article. Wordpress and Ekurd will very probably not make it into a final version of the article. It is very unlikely someone will double-check such a long and unsourced text and then include it as you wanted. I'll try to include the progressive alliance part a bit more prominent (it was included already in the current version)Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks a lotKeywan faramarzi (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• I have removed a large amount of text from the above request as a copyright violation, as it was a copy-paste of the text found at http://www.komalainternational.org/2018/02/19/komala-party-of-iranian-kurdistan-an-introduction, which is marked "© 2018 - komalainternational - All rights reserved". Please do not add copyrighted text to Wikipedia without evidence that it is published under a free license. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright, Wikipedia:Non-free content, etc. Please do not restore the text without providing such evidence, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 00:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• ThanksKeywan faramarzi (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
• Request closed. Pelagic ( messages ) – (20:04 Thu 03, AEDT) 09:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Pelagic Dear Pelagic Can you please check the other requests? and correct front page article? Thanks a lotKeywankomala (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, Keywankomala, I don't really know enough about the topic to action the others. I was just closing this one as a formality. Pelagic ( messages ) – (17:05 Sun 20, AEDT) 06:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Request edit on 12 October 2020

"The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Kurdish: كۆمه‌ڵه‌ی شۆڕشگێڕی زه‌حمه‌تكێشانی كوردستانی ئێران‎, romanized: Komełey Şorrişgêrrî Zehmetkêşanî Kurdistanî Êran, lit. 'Society of Revolutionary Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan'), commonly shortened to Komalah (Kurdish: Komełe‎; Persian: کومله‎), is a social democratic political party from the Kurdish region of Iran. Komala has been seeking a secular democratic federal ruling system to replace the current theocratic regime. It is currently exiled in northern iraq where its leadership and media are operating from"Internationally Komala is a member of International Socialist and Progressive Alliance, both umbrella organizations for social democrats, socialist and progressive forces. Aside from that, it is committed to prohibition on sexual violence and child protection in armed conflicts as well as a ban on anti-personnel mines.Keywan faramarzi (talk) 09:46, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I think the above article should be updated as it is Navid Atashbaz (talk) 10:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC) In the search I made, the words of Keywan faramarzi are closer. Soufi1355 (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, i think / this link clearly and fairly explains the fact that Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is in no shape or form, a Communist party. This very interesting article is all about how Komala has firmly shaped it's structure as a Liberal-oriented Social Democrat party within recent years. Halovand (talk) 09:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Halovand@Soufi1355 that's right, Komala appeared in the media as a social democratin 2009 and 2014Keywankomala (talk) 08:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Closing request. It seems to have been answered without action taken, and the requester is blocked anyway and cannot respond. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 13 October 2020

I suggest a new section to be added for the page under the Title of

International Affiliation

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is an organization which believes in worldwide engagements and memberships to exchange and share viewpoints, policies and values. Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is currently a consultative member of the International Socialist, a worldwide organization for progressive forces including social democrats, socialists and labor parties to gather under.

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is also a member of the German-based Progressive Alliance, an [organization] with member organizations from social democrats and progressive organizations that believe in both social democracy and social progress.

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, UNPO, an international organization aimed at promoting the neglected and marginalized nations. Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan [[7]] joined UNPO in 2007. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 15:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

--Iranian Aland (talk) 06:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Closed request as duplicate of one already answered above. Requester is blocked and cannot respond anyway. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 13 October 2020

Fight against Terrorism

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan joined other Kurdish forces from the Iranian Kurdistan in the fight against ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, under the command of KRG ministry of Peshmerge. The Iranian Kurds were soon asked by KRG to retrieve to retrieve their forces from the frontline. According to Al Arabiya and BBC and Al Monitor news reports, the order came after the Islamic Republic of Iran and its [[8]] Quds Force Commander, [[9]] Soleimani, had asked KRG not to let Iranian Kurds join the fight. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

--Iranian Aland (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Declined. While the proposal may have merit for inclusion, it is not clear how it should be presented. Please re-propose with reliable secondary sources cited, and without the inline external links in the prose. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Lobbying activities

"As part of its lobbying goals, Komala would like to build a bridge of understanding between the American public officials and the Iranian Kurds, introduce them as a reliable ally to the US and educate the American public about the Kurds in Iran. Just like the current US administration, Komala believes the Iranian people deserve a better government, i.e., a democratic one. Of course Komala believes in the democratic change to come within. Although Komala has supported the US maximum pressure on the Iranian regime, it does not support any military solution. Arthur.england2 (talk) 11:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. The proposed text reads like a party press release. It's definitely not neutral. The links are mostly primary sources. Better sources would be needed. --MarioGom (talk) 00:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 19 October 2020

Closed this empty request. --MarioGom (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Organizational Structure Request edit on 19 October 2020

"Komala has a collective and democratic decision-making system. Since it was founded, it has held 15 congresses in which the representatives discuss any modification or changes to the party’s platform, structure and leadership among others.

The leadership council or the politburo has 5 members and the party is led by a Secretary General. There is a central or executive committee which has 25 members. Women play a major role in decision making and leadership. The leadership council has two female members currently.

1.Rojhelat Women Organization

2.the youth organization of Iranian Kurdistan(komalay lawani RojheLat)

3.International Network of Iranian Kurdistan Human Rights.

4.Zagros

5.Media and Publications

6.Komala Office of International Relations: USA and EU offices"

7. Peshmarga

They are Organs of the Komala Party Arthur.england2 (talk) 12:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

References

--IranAzad2020 (talk) 07:23, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Some changes are not sourced, and others are not properly sourced to secondary sources. --MarioGom (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Komala Congresses and Decisions Request edit on 19 October 2020

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10. Kurdistan flag was recognized and approved officially to be used along with its own Komala flag in its events and locations.

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--IranAzad2020 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC) --IranAzad2020 (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what the requested changes are. --MarioGom (talk) 00:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 20 October 2020

With respect, I want "On grounds that politburo acts non-democratic, the faction led by Omar Ilkhanizade split in October 2007, founding the faction of reform. On 29 April 2008, another faction led by Abdulla Konaposhi accused Mohtadi of "non-democratic management", and expressing dissatifcation to a policy of a cooperation with monarchists including Reza Pahlavi, split from the group to establish the reunification faction. " change to the "Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Iran Transition Council, [Congress of Nationalities for a Federal Iran], Solidarity for Freedom and Equality in Iran, the Council of Iranian Democrats. and Cooperation Center for Iranian Kurdistan Political Parties. The Secretary-General of Komala, Abdulla Mohtadi, is the Secretariat for Special affairs of ITC, and Nahid Bahmani, a leadership member of Komala, is the Secretariat of Ethnic Affairs of ITC" This subject helps to guide the audience in proper form. The common goals of ITC are to achieve freedom, democracy, social justice, prosperity, and security by empowerment, expansion, and solidarity of social, civil, and non-violent movements. I'd like to say that point when the leader of Komala PIK Mr. Mohtadi ıs a member of ITC, that Party cannot carry the ideology of communism and they share a common goal with the Iranian opposition. I think the part of the Komala PIK in the article should be changed. Even the leader of this party Mr. Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, reacted positively to Prince Reza Pahlavi's “New Covenant.--Iranian Aland (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC) Regards--Iranian Aland (talk) 12:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please provide the new wikitext that you wish to add to the article, along with in-line references that support the new text. State where the new text should be placed in the article. If there is text that you want to remove, state that as well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Enmity with history is a betrayal of humanity

@EdJohnston:I respect your idea! better to study a little about Kurds than to judge.Go to the Komala website--Kak kayvan (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Think you're pinging the wrong person mate. Could you link this site? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@EdJohnston:HistoryofIranthanks for your attention and I hope you will review and rate my request as well. website is https://www.komalainternational.org/--Kak kayvan (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@EdJohnston:HistoryofIranI am still waiting! your response at front is very quick for undo !!!I have placed my request on your advice!!I expect you to review and review my request Thanks a lotKak kayvan (talk) 20:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Stop pinging EdJohnston. What do you want me to say? The several sections you have created doesn't really make much sense. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

This doesn't need an administrator, you just need an experienced person with 500 edits. You also need a consensus of editors to agree to either of these changes, so that it can be made. EdJohnston (talk) 00:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@EdJohnston:PelagicHalovand DearHistoryofIranYou dont want the article to be corrected. you know that Iranian regime is also working on this article. Komala is not a communist party and it is important for you that it remains so wrong! komla is an opposition to Iranian regime. of course, bad image of komala is good for iran regime and paniranists. please, stay away from this article that has concerned with Kurds. because you only give negative points! look to history. if someone corrects the article, after second you undo it. how persian history is important to you. history of Kurds for me too. you are not neutral. that's why I'm going for Wikipedia: Dispute ResolutionKak kayvan (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

And this is why I plan to stay away from edit requests in future. All I did was close off a section that had already been declined as copyvio. Take it to DR if you want, but count me out: I'm not part of any dispute here. Pelagic ( messages ) – (12:21 Wed 27, AEDT) 01:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 22 January 2021 top text must match truth

• top text must match truth:
• because this party has been 21 years that has different statute. has also changed I see that Iranian regime is also trying to give bad image!:

Kak kayvan (talk) 19:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

"The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan (Kurdish: كۆمه‌ڵه‌ی شۆڕشگێڕی زه‌حمه‌تكێشانی كوردستانی ئێران‎, romanized: Komełey Şorrişgêrrî Zehmetkêşanî Kurdistanî Êran, lit. 'Society of Revolutionary Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan'), commonly shortened to Komalah (Kurdish: Komełe‎; Persian: کومله‎), is a social democratic political party from the Kurdish region of Iran. Komala has been seeking a secular democratic federal ruling system to replace the current theocratic regime. It is currently exiled in northern iraq where its leadership and media are operating from"Internationally Komala is a member of International Socialist and Progressive Alliance, both umbrella organizations for social democrats, socialist and progressive forces. Aside from that, it is committed to prohibition on sexual violence and child protection in armed conflicts as well as a ban on anti-personnel mines.

References

 Not done. You are asking to replace the original lead and all its reliable-source citations with something else with uncited claims (Iran vs Iraq), and cited mostly to self-published sources, and sources that make no mention of the subject? See WP:RS and WP:PRIMARYSOURCES to understand what kinds of sources are required. You must provide justification for removal of citations to reliable sources, and you have not done so. ~Anachronist (talk)

Request edit on 22 January 2021(ideology)

• truth is the text below. so the text below that is true must be on the article:
• ideology written by anti Kurdish movements truth is below:

Kak kayvan (talk) 20:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)   After a long and heated debate among it's ranks and in public during the 1990s, finally the majority of the Komala Party’s cadres and members decided to a renewal programme to adapt to the new domestic and world developments. Since year 2000, Komala Party has undergone a major overhaul. This move was welcomed by the great majority of people, intellectuals, students, women, civil activists, Komala veteran activists and others.

While preserving its socialist values, Komala fights for Kurdish rights, a democratic secular pluralist federal Iran, social justice, democratic labour laws, the freedom of assembly and organization, political freedoms, democracy, human rights, women’s rights and cultural and religious tolerance.Kak kayvan (talk) 20:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

References

 Not done. It is not clear what you want changed, it is not clear where this change should go, and it is also not clear how the sources you cite supports the text you have written, particularly the source on Google Books. I'm not saying that the text shouldn't be added, but it does need some explanation and improvement before it can be added. Perhaps quote the passages in those sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 30 January 2021

• communist:
• Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is NOT a communist party:

Komala Party is a social democratic political party

Kak kayvan (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

• For future reviewers: despite the malformed edit requests, COI and extensive sockpuppetting, note that this request makes sense. I think we need some work on reliable sources to back the changes, and also figure out how to change the article to reflect this ideological transition. The sources by Michael J. Totten seem like a good start ([10]) but, ideally, we would need a source describing the transition. --MarioGom (talk) 18:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

  I speak Dutch, and the middle reference (Trouw) says that it was formerly a communist group now turned social-democratic. I have accepted the request.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2021

"change is an armed formerly communist to was with an armed formerly communist"

 (Is to Was with).Kak kayvan (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

To editor Kak kayvan:  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Thank you very much for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 03:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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Request edit on 25 March 2021

• What I think should be changed: Is to was with
• Why it should be changed: sentence structure should be corrected
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): "an armed formerly communist to was with an armed formerly communist"

"is an armed formerly communist to was with an armed formerly communist" Kak kayvan (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Not one to stand on bureaucracy, it should be noted that this edit was requested above and the requesting editor was asked to garner consensus before requesting the edit again. In any case, it appears that the editor would like the lead sentence, which now reads...

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, is an armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

to be changed to...

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, was with an armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

Looking at previous discussions about this, it has been shown that sources refer to the Komalah in exactly the way this sentence is written in the lead of this article. Since I don't have access to all the paragraphs in the sources below that the editor wants to be used, perhaps the editor could quote passages in those sources that support this change? I don't know how much that would help in light of the many reliable sources that are already used and that contradict this change; however, maybe with this group it is just "guilt by association"? Since I don't know the answer to that question myself, I think it's best to leave this request open and perhaps hear from other editors who know more about the subject than I do. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear:@Paine Ellsworth:Paine Ellsworth thanks for your explanation, there is no content problem, but sentence structure errors. In terms of literature is not good. Otherwise everything is fine. Your proposal is good. or can second sentence be written the first for example The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, is a social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq. was before with an armed communist. I hope you can make it. thank youKak kayvan (talk) 10:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. Hopefully other editors who know more about this subject than I do will add their expertise. And please don't give the impression that the proposal is my idea with Your proposal is good. This is your proposal, not mine, so if editors think your proposal should be used, then you will get the credit for it, not me. And please do quote some passages from the sources below that support this edit. Thank you for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 01:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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Request edit on 5 April 2021

• Is to was with
• The grammar is wrong

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, is an armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

to be changed to...

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, was with an armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

So "is an armed formerly communist to was with an armed formerly communist" Kak kayvan (talk) 06:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Questions: if the Komala Party is not an "armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran", then what exactly is it?

If the Komala Party was with such an armed organization, then what is the name of that organization?

In a previous, granted edit request above, editor Ymblanter found in one of your sources, "... the middle reference (Trouw) says that [the Komala Party] was formerly a communist group now turned social-democratic." So is it the word "armed" that you are trying to separate out of the description?

If so, then does that mean that the Komala Party no longer arms their members? They no longer carry weapons of any kind? They are no longer "armed"? You must be aware that your second source below states things like "... the armed forces of Komala along with the KDPI’s forces resisted in front of the government’s attack on Kurdistan."

It is important that these questions are answered before any edit of this nature can be performed. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 20:27, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes Komala has Peshmerga (Military) from the beginning and now too. I am trying to say Komala "is" no longer with a communist party. It “was”, but not anymore. Now it’s a social democratic party. The beginning of sentence is a confused meaning "is". So was with Communist...thanks for your attentionKak kayvan (talk) 07:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

You have just confirmed that no edit is necessary. The Komala is armed, it is formerly communist, and it is currently a social democratic ethnic policitical party of Kurds in Iran. Not "was with", but "is", isn't that so? P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 09:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

What would you say if we changed:

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, is an armed formerly communist and currently social democratic ethnic political party of Kurds in Iran, currently exiled in Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

to:

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komalah, is an armed ethnic political party of Kurds of Iran. Formerly with communist ties, the Komalah is currently a social democratic party exiled to the Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

– P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 09:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the improvement, it’s much closer to the reality now. However, I would suggest a little different version of it and very much appreciate it if you consider it positively. Do you think it is possible by any chance? otherwise I also agree with your text thank you very much

to:

The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, commonly shortened to Komala, is a social democratic party of Kurds of Iran. Formerly with communist ties, the Komala is a well established party with more than five decades of history whose headquarters are in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq.Komala party has also a peshmarga (armed freedom fighters) wing with a history of leading the Kurdish resistanceKak kayvan (talk) 19:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Okay, great, I would call this progress! Let's give it a little time to see if other editors have opinions about either option. Thank you so much for your patience and tolerance! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 22:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Request status

Hi, I'm attempting to reduce the backlog at CAT:EDITREQ. What is the status of this request? Can it be closed? Pinging Paine Ellsworth. JBchrch talk 17:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know, JBchrch, there appear to have been some changes to the lead between April and now, so we can ping Kak kayvan and see if this request is ready to close. Thank you very much for the follow up! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 01:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Dear Paine Ellsworth I have been following this discussion since April. In my opinion, the suggestions of Kak Kayvan are more logical and close to the reality. Unfortunately, someone has added two words to the article which are irrelevant and far from the truth.Hasankay (talk) 10:24, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Dear:@Paine Ellsworth:Paine Ellsworth , I do agree on the proposal of April. Would you please mention the correction in the concerning article. I appreciate your efforts in advance. Would you please make the concerning correction in the article. Thanks a lot Kak kayvan (talk) 17:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

To editor Kak kayvan:  done, and thank you for your input and your patience! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 15:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Request edit on 16 October 2021

• What I think should be changed:There are two items in the table that would be better if corrected ans one in article,

• Why it should be changed: According to truth

1- Political position Far-left Instead of far-left it should be Center-left. Social democracy is not far-left by political standards and norms is a Center-left left So Far-left to Center- left

2- International affiliation Socialist International (observer) instead of Observer most be Consultatief party Observer To Consultatief

3- Above article first paragraph last sentence The Komalah advocates for anti-imperialism and Kurdish self-determination.[2]"" Komala since 2000 is not anti-imprialism. A. Link[2] is not available two B. last newspaper also says that komala is not antie imperialism If can like to add to sentence that is {{hl|The Komalah advocates for anti-imperialism and Kurdish self-determination TO The Komala was in 1946 anti-imperialist but since 2000 is not anti-imperialism and advocates for Kurdish self-determination.

Thanks a lot for dear editor.

Kak kayvan (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

References

@219.77.88.184:, It is clear that in column three words must change. in request all three are marked with color yellow. Thanks a lot

Kak kayvan (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 15:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Request edit on 2 January 2022

• What I think should be changed: The Komalah advocates for anti-imperialism and Kurdish self-determination.[2]
• Why it should be changed: This text must be according to truth
• In the 1990s, the Komala Party went through a thorough ideological and political overhaul and abandoned anti imperialism slogan and adopted a social democratic policy. Since 2000, it advocates a secular, democratic, federal system in Iran where Kurdish national rights are recognised and protected by the constitution. slogan and adopted a social democratic policy. Since 2000, it advocates a secular, democratic, federal system in Iran where Kurdish national rights are recognised and protected by the constitution.

SO should be changed

The Komalah advocates for anti-imperialism and Kurdish self-determination.[2]

to:

In the 1990s, the Komala Party went through a thorough ideological and political overhaul and abandoned anti imperialism slogan and adopted a social democratic policy. Since 2000, it advocates a secular, democratic, federal system in Iran where Kurdish national rights are recognised and protected by the constitution. slogan and adopted a social democratic policy. Since 2000, it advocates a secular, democratic, federal system in Iran where Kurdish national rights are recognised and protected by the constitution.

Lawien (talk) 19:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Request edit on 5 April 2022

• The Komalah advocates for anti-imperialism and Kurdish self-determination. Better change, Because statute of political party has been changed for years so must

TO

In the 1990s, the Komala Party went through a thorough ideological and political overhaul and abandoned anti imperialism Since 2000, it advocates a secular, democratic, federal system in Iran where Kurdish national rights are recognised and protected by the constitution:

Lawien (talk) 07:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done These sources do not appear reliable enough to be included in the article. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

minor but annoying typo.

Can someone with edit rights please correct the sentence "[...]establish a charitable foundation in the U.S., and "develop" [a] Wikipedia page." in the section "Lobbying activities"? Thank you a lot. Ion Rokavebić (talk) 01:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Request edit on 27 July 2023

• Please next sentence should to delete Komala of the Workers of Kurdistan, above article please see text below:

Not to be confused with Komala Kurdistan's Organization of the Communist Party of Iran or Komala of the Workers of Kurdistan. Please next sentence should to delete Komala of the Workers of Kurdistan. the correct one is: Not to be confused with Komala Kurdistan's Organization of the Communist Party of Iran. :

• Two komala merged together. (Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan and Komala of the Fighters of Kurdistan):

Hasankay (talk) 20:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done Though the two parties reunited in 2022, the initial split occurred in 2007. That leaves 15 years in which they were two separate entities, a long period of time where people developed their views of these two entities as being separate (even though they no longer are separate.) The disambiguation hatnote exists for these readers. Regards,  Spintendo  21:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)