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Merge?[edit]

Is this the same as Kirti Monastery ? --Babelfisch (talk) 01:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is yes. I am sorry I don't know how this happened - I did have a search under "Kirti" before I created this article and "Kirti Monastery" did not come up - nor did anything else beginning with "Kirti". Anyway, I will come back and merge the two articles as soon as I can spare the time. Apologies for any confusion. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 02:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that Kirti Monastery be merged into Kirti Gompa. I think that the content in the Kirti Monastery article can easily be explained in the context of Kirti Gompa, as they refer to the same place. The Kirti Gompa article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Kirti Monastery will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Please discuss here if you have any suggestions or concerns. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 07:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed![edit]

Please help if you can! As can be seen above, I have proposed to merge the article Kirti Monastery with this article as they refer to the same place and, therefore, represent unnecessary duplication. As part of this process I am supposed to put tags at the top of all the involved pages - see information on Wikipedia:Merging. However, I have tried everything I can think of and can't get them to work properly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John Hill (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger done[edit]

Merged content from Kirti Monastery to here. See Talk:Kirti Gompa ==Merger proposal== above. Today I merged the article Kirti Monastery into this one as they both referred to the same monastery or gompa. I hope I have done it all properly. If anyone has any comments or queries please let me know here. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 02:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Change title and article to "Kirti Monasteries"[edit]

The title and content of this article is misleading as it implies there is one Kirti monastery in Ngawa. This is incorrect. There are more than one hundred Kirti Monasteries spread throughout the regions of Ngawa, Tewo, Zorge, plus two Kirti monasteries in India (Dharamsala and Darjeeling). All of the monasteries are Kirti monasteries - that is their spiritual leader is Kirti Rinpoche. The largest in Tibet are the Ngawa, Taktsang Lhamo, Hortsang, Rogan (Gyelrang), Tsuldun (Gyelrang). The focus of most of the media attention is on Ngawag Kirti monastery in Ngawa (Chinese Aba).

But this article should not incorrectly say that Kirti Gompa is the Ngawa Kirti gompa alone. It is a misrepresentation of the terminology.

I suggest this article be re-titled "Kirti Monasteries" and list each of the large gompa's as sub headings.--Jangchub2011 (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That makes good sense @Jangchub2011. Opening still needs corrections to text; Three monasteries are listed now in sections, interested in editing the other sections? Pasdecomplot (talk) 00:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Head Lama's name correction[edit]

The article states "The Twelfth Kirti Tsenzhab Rinpoche, the 55th lama to head the monastery, now lives in exile and founded a Kirti Monastery in Dharamsala in India in April 1990."

I believe this name is incorrect. The current abbot and his debate partner/teacher have similar names. The word "Tsenzhab" means "debate partner". The current abbot is H.E. Kirti Rinpoche link, his teacher/debate partner was Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche, who passed away in Dec 2006 link.

So I believe the "Tsenshab" should be removed from the abbot's name. I also believe he is the Eleventh Kirti Rinpoche, not the Twelfth as seen referenced to in this news article: link.

This is my first post on Wikipedia so sorry if I did anything incorrectly. Vajraryc (talk) 00:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Incidents subsection under Ngawa Kirti section[edit]

About to shift the subsection to its own section entitled 'Recent developments', as is standard. It's hard to find in its present location. Give a ping if the shift is a problem. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 17:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the info again, the section title could be modified to 'Self-immolations', since that's the subject. Also, Ngawa was called 'the self-immolation capital of the world' by RS (Anne Fadiman, The Chinese Town That Became the Self-Immolation Capital of the World, (28 July 2020), https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/books/review/eat-the-buddha-barbara-demick.html). Thoughts on support or opposition? Pasdecomplot (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reinserted all text deleted by @Rigley [1]to text by @John Hill and other editors; Changed title to original 'Recent events'. Will check RS. Events after OCT2011 are still needed.

Added some events after OCT2011; added 2008 events, RS; used ICT and TCHRD reports when necessary since there was CON on ICT source from earlier edits. Please ping if the edits need discussing, CON.

Also, refs (especially TCHRD Kirti Log and ICT Fact Sheet) indicate names of other Kirti monastic centers, for research purposes if interested. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spell-check[edit]

Last year Pasdecomplot asked me to check the Tibetan and Wylie spelling of Kirti Gompa. I didn't notice the request until today. Better late than never! Kirti is unusual, so I see the reason for the question, but it is a Sanskritized name and so follows Sanskrit, rather than Tibetan, spelling conventions (similar to how mantras are spelled in Tibetan). Which is to say: the spelling on the article is fine. Longchenpa (talk)