Talk:King Phalo Airport

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the King Phalo Airport article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Aviation: Airports

This article is within the scope of the Aviation WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.AviationWikipedia:WikiProject AviationTemplate:WikiProject Aviationaviation articles

This article has not yet been checked against the criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar and style: not checked Supporting materials: not checked	To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: \| b1<!--Referencing and citation--> = <yes/no> \| b2<!--Coverage and accuracy --> = <yes/no> \| b3<!--Structure --> = <yes/no> \| b4<!--Grammar and style --> = <yes/no> \| b5<!--Supporting materials --> = <yes/no> assessing the article against each criterion.

This article is supported by the airport project.

South Africa Mid‑importance

	South Africa portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject South Africa, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of South Africa on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.South AfricaWikipedia:WikiProject South AfricaTemplate:WikiProject South AfricaSouth Africa articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Untitled[edit]

the coodinates must be wrong, it is shown in s. africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.87.45 (talk • contribs)

That's because it IS in South Africa. thadius856_talk 05:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on East London Airport. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131029192659/http://www.airports.co.za/home.asp?pid=148 to http://www.airports.co.za/home.asp?pid=148

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 05:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 15:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

East London Airport → King Phalo Airport – Airport has been renamed for over a year and reliable sources regularly use the new name.

A decision was made to turn back to King Phalo Airport in East London just a few minutes into the flight, when the aircraft’s landing gear – consisting of the wheels and braking system used in takeoff and landing – failed to retract after the jet was airborne. - The Independent

For the second time in less than a week, a FlySafair jet destined for Cape Town was diverted to Gqeberha after a technical issue was picked up after take-off from King Phalo Airport in East London on Monday... - TimesLIVE

On both occasions, the same aircraft operating flight FA143 departed King Phalo Airport in East London for Cape Town International Airport and had to be diverted to Chief Dawid Stuurman International Airport in Gqeberha. - Business Day

In a separate incident a British Airways flight had to make an emergency landing at King Phalo Airport, and an incident that allegedly... - News24 Desertambition (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You've demonstrated that some reliable sources use the new name, but has it become become predominant in common global usage per WP:MPN? Searching for preponderance in news sources is difficult, as unusually there appears to be use of both in some articles without expressing a preference, and is further complicated as the airport is sometimes referred to as "East London" without adding "airport", similar to how "Heathrow airport" is normally called "Heathrow". BilledMammal (talk) 05:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again BilledMammal, yes I believe consistent coverage by reliable sources, including The Independent, TimesLIVE, Business Day, News24 satisfies both WP:COMMONNAME and WP:MPN.

"For articles discussing the present, use the modern English name (or local name, if there is no established English name), rather than an older one." - WP:MPN Desertambition (talk) 05:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that you haven't demonstrated that there is consistent coverage in reliable sources, just that there is coverage in sources. There are also issues with some of those sources, for instance, News24 may not be a reliable source; for example, they have continued to give credulity to the claim that Gosiame Thamara Sithole gave bith to decuplets, months after the claim was proven false, and they have claimed that a woman in Eastern Cape was 118 years old; if true, that would have made her the oldest person in the world, not Kane Tanaka. BilledMammal (talk) 05:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You should take your complaints about reliable sources to WP:RSP, not move requests. If the sources do not convince you, nothing will. I see no use in continuing to debate in circles.

"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)" Desertambition (talk) 05:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will, when I have time. For the moment, the concerns - provided with evidence - need to be raised. And the issue is that you haven't been able to demonstrate prevalence. BilledMammal (talk) 05:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you do not have enough time to bring those complaints to WP:RSP but you have raised them in multiple move requests, you should stop mentioning it in move requests or take the time to bring it up in WP:RSP. Desertambition (talk) 05:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support a couple searches show it's very clear news sources have referred to this as King Phalo Airport ever since the rename, from a wide multitude of sources. SportingFlyer T·C 13:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No evidence presented that the name has become predominant in common global usage as required by WP:MPN. Searches suggest use is conflicted, with less reliable sources preferring the new name, and more reliable sources preferring the old name. Another discussion in a few years, when sources have had time to settle on which name they prefer, could be beneficial. BilledMammal (talk) 06:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.