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Oldest Race in North America?[edit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1833 was before 1859...right? --Smashville^talk 19:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. The Queen's Plate is Canada's oldest, and it's also the longest continually-run thoroughbred horse race. The Phoenix Stakes had a hiatus in the 1930s. PK T(alk) 16:30, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Linking King's / Queen's Plate?[edit]

In reference to WP:NOTBROKEN, we might need to start enforcing which link to use on a contextual basis, since we know this race's name depends on the British monarch at the time of the race (i.e. link King's for 1901–51 and 2023 [presumed] till next female monarch, and link Queen's for first race till 1900 and for 1952–2022 as of writing this). Would anyone be willing to correct links to this page and its related redirect where applicable? Jalen Folf (talk) 08:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion, for what it’s worth:

Queen's Plate and King's Plate should bring to the same page (see #4). They should never be piped (i.e. never use [[Queen's plate|King's plate]] or the reverse).
Any mention with a time context (in any article) should stay in the form matching that time context. For instance, In 1960, X raced in the Queen's Plate should never be "corrected" to "King€s Plate" regardless of current monarch because the 1960 race was a Queen’s.
Any timeless mention (for instance the []’s Plate has been run for X years) should whenever possible be written in a monarch-gender-neutral way. This is probably unwieldy to apply within the article about the race, but could be used in other articles that only refer to it one or two times (use Queen’s Plate or King’s Plate at the first instance, and "the race" in other instances).
I am not a fan of moving the article at each coronation. (Arguably, it might even need moving only with some delay; in the days following a change of monarch, very few new sources if any will appear that cover that even, so the WP:COMMONNAME will still be the previous one.) That being said, in the absence of an alternative, non-gendered name for the event, I have no better idea.

(Note: I found this article because it popped up in the New Pages Feed, probably due to the move from King to Queen. I am not familiar with the topic at all, but I do participate in redirect discussions from time to time.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the name change has been officially confirmed, I generally agree with points 1 and 2 above. Anything related to a specific date should keep the appropriate name from the time. For point 3, general mentions of the race itself, I would prefer to see King's Plate mostly, or Plate possibly. For point 4, I would say keep moving the name each time the gender of the monarch changes and the new title is officially confirmed. But I doubt I'll be around to see the next change! Bcp67 (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name change[edit]

I think moving the article was a bit presumptive, as they are still debating whether or not to change the name back to King's Plate. See here. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:36, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - the article will need to be moved back to the original title if Woodbine Entertainment decides not to change the name.--Bcp67 (talk) 12:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

re:History[edit]

Louis E Cauz's book The Plate, A Royal Tradition (ISBN 0-88879-104-6) chronicles quite clearly the development of the race. Originally the races were open to all ages of horses "raised, bred, and trained, and owned in the Province of Ontario that have never won a match, purse or sweepstakes." Heat races ended in 1869 replaced by a single "dash". 1939 was the first year the race was contested exclusively for three-year-olds who were "the property of a British subject resident in Ontario, foaled, raised and trained in Ontario, that have never won a race either on the flat or across country, other than a race exclusively for two-year-olds, have never left Canada, and have never been for a period of more than three months out of this Province." Races outside of Woodbine Park were held in Guelph (1864), London (1865, 1869, 1878, 1882) Hamilton (1866, 1874) St. Catherines (1867), Newmarket Race Course Toronto (1868), Whitby (1870) Kingston (1871), Ottawa (1872, 1880), Barrie (1873), Woodstock (1875), Prescott (1877), and Picton (1879). 76wins (talk) 16:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]