Talk:Killing of Marvin Gaye

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On 11 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Death of Marvin Gaye to Killing of Marvin Gaye. The result of the discussion was moved.

Merge to Main Article[edit]

I really don't see why this article should be standalone, it can certainly be merged into the main article on Gaye's life. Mmyers1976 (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it would make the main article overly long and give undue weight to his death. Plus, the case surrounding his death has been analyzed independently, and therefore has enough sources to support a separate article. oknazevad (talk) 16:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

musical comeback and personal problems should be merged. I see no need for this to be included other than that he gave his father the murder weapon.--RichardMills65 (talk) 23:01, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh..[edit]

It seems like someone is amused by changing the spelling of "Marvin Gaye" to "Marvin Gay" ... is there the possibility of adding regular expression rules that define what can be edited on an article? If not, let's add that :) In the meantime, maybe someone with higher access than me could protect this article somehow? ryan bagueros » i know en + pt-br + es » talk 15:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Read up a little on your subject before making major proposals. "Marvin Gay" is Gaye's birth name, and his father's only name; "Marvin Gaye" is just a stage name. Whether the famous singer should be referred to as "Gaye" or "Gay" depends on context, and his father should certainly never be referred to by his son's pseudonym.--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did these people sleep at noon? Or maybe the editor doesn't understand how a.m./p.m. are used?--Ruizhernan (talk) 04:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article renaming[edit]

I seem to have missed the discussion over the rename of this article. Why is this being reclassified as a murder when it was not classified as such by the courts? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm mystified by that too. Marvin's death was ruled as involuntary manslaughter by the courts. I wonder who changed it. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 17:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. This really needs to be corrected. (I'm pretty sure the article says voluntary manslaughter, though, not involuntary.) I know of no reason tha article couldn't be titled "Killing of Marvin Gaye".Ajericn (talk)

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Requested move 11 September 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus that "Killing" is more accurate and preferable to "Death" - another RM to work out "Killing" vs "Shooting" vs "Murder" would be reasonable and could be opened immediately. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 17:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Marvin Gaye → Killing of Marvin Gaye – Should be moved per WP:NCDEATH. It was homicide. I'm unsure if it should be "killing" or "murder". Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 09:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Per the flowchart at WP:DEATHS, Killing of Marvin Gaye is the correct title (as there was no murder conviction here.) 162 etc. (talk) 16:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: The cited essay is dubious, and the current title is not a problem. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Shooting of Marvin Gaye would be fine. I think that sort of title was the most common on Wikipedia for this type of incident until the recent WP:DEATHS movement. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and would also support Shooting of Marvin Gaye if consensus were to skew toward the desire to indicate in the main title header itself that, rather than the general description of "killing", Gaye's death was the specific result of gun violence. As far as the existing form "Death of..." is concerned, it is most intuitively applied to the headers of articles detailing circumstances surrounding non-violent demise — Death of Ludwig van Beethoven, Death of Edgar Allan Poe, Death of Vladimir Lenin, Death of Marilyn Monroe, Death of Elvis Presley, Death of Michael Jackson, Death of Prince, etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:25, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "killing", support "Murder" It is more sense that Marvin Gaye is murdered, not killed. Someone who involved in the killing were convicted. 180.254.163.145 (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The conviction was for voluntary manslaughter, which is a different crime than murder. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.