Talk:Keith Allen (actor)

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Personal Life[edit]

Keith Allen is a well known left-wing activist and critic of the conservative party. His comments about David Cameron and Willam Hague were made ironically are were not meant to be taken literally.

Again, it is common knowledge that Keith Allen's politics are left-wing and in no way can he be described as a supporter of the conservative party. The comments he made were obviously ironic as he is well known critic of conservative policies and mindsets.

If moderators can't appreciate that then perhaps they shouldn't be moderating this page.

By the way, there was nowhere else to put the reasons for the edit hence why they are here.

Middle name[edit]

Whats his middle name?

Son / daughter Teddie[edit]

If the reliable source says son, so does the article, per WP:V] - Tiswas(t) 15:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TV and film career[edit]

of course, The Bullshitters is the one show that wasn't acually [http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/b/bullshittersthe_7771040.shtml Comic Strip Presents

Could you add info about his documentary on the death of Princess Diana, There Are Dark Forces ? Then again, it seems to have not been mentioned at all since private screenings were apparently held last year. 86.177.105.111 (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of that film...why is it a success (8 point 6 out of ten), whereas no one knows how much money it has generated? Is there a tax office just anywhere that would like to act upon it? Maybe tax-offices do give in to blackmailings. Maybe someone has made sure they give in to blackmailing. --82.134.28.194 (talk) 10:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

"... and was intimate with Julia Sawalha". Shouldn't that be 'had a relationship with...' or something similar? Doozy88 11:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah isnt his daughter, Her father is Andy Lavender. I have changed the article to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.146.60 (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Fool"[edit]

I added a little bit in brackets to the Keith Allen Will Burn In Hell bit, since the context that was given gives off an entirely false suggestion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.184.90 (talk) 00:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

"Although he portrays the persona of the working-class, Allen is a former public schoolboy who was born in Wales."

Does that sentence from the first paragraph actually contain seemingly opposing ideas that warrant the use of the word "although"? Or is being a "public schoolboy" in Wales considered to be an upper class position? I do not live in Britain, so maybe I am not familiar with their use of the term. Somebody please explain. Otherwise, the sentence should be changed. JBFrenchhorn (talk) 10:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Public schoolboy" on its own is (perceived as) an upper-class position. I think the Wales part refers to his distinctly non-Welsh accent. Katharineamy (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Public schools cost a lot of money to attend which working-class people can't typically afford (I believe Welsh people are also particularly poor in general when compared to the rest of the UK, as their main industry is sheep "farming"). LoveEverybodyUnconditionally (talk) 15:25, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Correct birth info[edit]

According to Debrett's, Allen's birth name and date are different than the info in the article. Infact the info in Debrett's was the info that USED to be on the article and on sites like IMDb until it was recently changed. Did Allen send Debrett's the wrong info as a joke or what? Crisso (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These sources indicate 2/9/53 to be correct and Charles Howell or Howell Charles as his middle names:

Crisso (talk) 19:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But was he born in Gorseinon or Llanelli? We currently have a conflict between text and box. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Llanelli is where his birth was registered so I'd go for that. Crisso (talk) 21:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh - British[edit]

He is a 'Welsh musician but he is the father of a 'British singer? Some consistency is needed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.75.119 (talk) 20:21, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I think we'd all agree that he's more of an actor? But, in any case, Lily was born in the well known mining village of Hammersmiff! We could well describe Keith as a Britsh actor, but I don't think anyone would describe his daughter as a 'Welsh singer'? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He is best described as British. His family moved around all over the place - they just happened to be in Wales when he was born. --Michig (talk) 05:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Tend to agree. Cliff Richard is not generally described as Indian, is he. And I don't think Allen regards himself as Welsh? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

supporter of the Conservative Party[edit]

"Allen is an outspoken supporter of the Conservative Party." This statement in the article is based on a just one interview, three years ago, expressing approval of two of the party's leaders: "It's come to something when I think David Cameron is right." Is it a bit of a stretch to make him a "supporter of the Conservative Party" itself on this basis? An IP editor, who has commented above, keeps removing this. I've restored it as vandalism, but it could do with a second look. Views? --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Keith Allen is a well known left-wing activist and critic of the conservative party. His comments about David Cameron and Willam Hague were made ironically are were not meant to be taken literally.
Again, it is common knowledge that Keith Allen's politics are left-wing and in no way can he be described as a supporter of the conservative party. The comments he made were obviously ironic as he is well known critic of conservative policies and mindsets.
If moderators can't appreciate that then perhaps they shouldn't be moderating this page.
By the way, there was nowhere else to put the reasons for the edit hence why they are here.
On Wikipedia, reliable sources beat "common knowledge" every time; what you think you know counts for nothing. See WP:V for more on this. There is no justification for your suggestion that KA was being "ironic"; his praise was grudging, but sincere. However, there is a problem that needs fixing: interpreting grudging admiration for Cameron and sympathy for Hague as support for the Tory Party in general may well be an interpretation too far. Find something to support for your assertion that he is a Labour supporter, and we can fix this, otherwise verifiability over truth wins. --Old Moonraker (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If we can trust this anecdote from, once again, the Telegraph: it seems Allen has no love for Labour politician Gordon Brown, whom he used as his character model when portraying the villainous Sheriff of Nottingham in a TV Robin Hood: "The sheriff is a sociopath, utterly asexual, devilishly charming and very politically ambitious"[1]. Once again, I'd be happy to see KA's remarks put into their proper context, but offering "common knowledge" to source his support for Labour is flawed. --Old Moonraker (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK: I've got rid of the "Tory supporter", that was an unreasonable interpretation of the reference—total crap, in fact. WRP added for balance, although I've had to resort to a primary source for this. Any better? --Old Moonraker (talk) 17:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
At the risk of repeating myself, with nobody taking any notice, the reference is valid; it's the interpretation on the article, which I hope I've now fixed, that was at fault. Deleting references—four times now—and replacing them with original research, is beginning to look like vandalism. On the other hand, if my revision of the article text based on the reference could be improved, discuss it here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 06:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Allen is actually a Conservative voter. He only pretended to be left-wing in the 1990s. (ClarksonW (talk) 18:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Does not make sense[edit]

"Together The film Carry On Columbus hit the big screen with Keith Allen playing Pepi The Poisoner."

So many editors, but so little literacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.78.33 (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Family name?[edit]

Why do he and his siblings have the surname Allen when his father’s surname was Owen? Feels like this should be explained in the Early Life section. 86.11.32.31 (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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