Talk:Kegel (bowling)

Kegel(n) = skittle(s), kegeln = bowling (verb)

I believe the article should be called Kegeln. Kegeln (with an n on the end) is the name of the German alley skittles game. Kegel is just the skittle. I still believe it is seen as a German game played in Australia and not as an Australian game (the rules are still the same as the original German game and it is refered to as such in the various online sites).

The Barossa is also home to Kegeln, a variety of nine-pin lane bowling (Kegelbahn), based on the traditional German game similar to alley skittles.[1] The Barossa town of Tanunda still features the Tanunda Kegel Club, founded in 1858.[2]

Have a look at the what I wrote above and the links from the paragraph. Is it possible come to a consensus on these issues? Thanks. Ozdaren 12:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

An interesting link to a modern version of Kegeln that is being advertised on a Australian based web site [3] Ozdaren 14:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help Daren. Yes, I saw the kegelbarn site.

I started this article in a hurry, basically by translating the intro of the German Wikipedia article on Kegeln. However — big however — I don't think the article should be at kegeln, for two reasons:

1. As you pointed out on my talk page, we are talking about a dialect/creole, so we should respect local usage, which seems to be that kegel means both the pins and the game.
2. If we called it kegeln, it would cause confusion for German readers, as there is an interwiki link at present from the German Kegeln article to the English Skittles article.

Cheers, Grant | Talk 02:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Well Kegel it is. It would be interesting to actually ask the Kegel Club how they style/title their sport. The other online references to the Barossa Kegelbahn use the full German name of kegeln (skittling/bowling). I would like to see the reference to cones removed; kegel as a cone sounds more like a highway cone to me (I'm not a native speaker though I am reasonably fluent). The online dictionary of the technical university in Dresden has the following translations:

• skittle -- der Kegel
• pin -- der Kegel
• cone -- der Kegel

Are there any native German speakers out there who can help? Ozdaren 15:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It actually must be Kegeln, because Kegel means just a pin (or skittle). I must know that because my grandfather was a world champion in that sport and in Slovenian it goes Kegljanje and Kegelj is just a pin --Janisterzaj (talk) 17:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

--EolRuin (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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You are right "Kegeln" would be the name. I am from Austria and NOBODY would name this sport "Kegel" its called "Kegeln" like the german verb (kegeln). And well - better a link to a "Kegel Club" than nothing :)

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Hi there, I am German and I know a few things about "Kegeln" because I am playing it since a few years. But my english isnt't good enough for changing the article.

First: It is definitely called "Kegeln". The skittle itself is called "Kegel". I don't know about any wooden balls any more. They are made of Aramith a special plastic for those balls. Here in NRW (north-rhine-westfalia) - men play it with a 16cm ball, women with a (i don't know size - but smaller). But there are also different diameters available for non competition games. In germany there are also different types of alleys which you can see on wikipedia.de (search for "Kegeln"). It depends on the region which alley you will find in the pubs. Some types of alleys are concave some are not. Also balls are available in other regions with holes like a bowling ball. Kegeln is popular for playing games about shouts of drinks. The non competition players usualy use Kegeln for going out for a drink. There are many different types of games. There are games where you have to throw special figures or just special single pins. There are games for teams, groups and individuals. But anyway, it's a lot of fun. Come and find out. We have great beers! :) Try www.spritten.de it's a typical german Kegelclub with a homepage. "spritten" means something like "hardly drinking". You'll find Stickers all around Ballermann 6 on Mallorca :) Don't hesitate to contact us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.72.176.55 (talk) 18:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Dutch is kegelen. Kegel is the skittle, and used as generic prefix (kegelschoenen, kegelbaan for resp -shoes and -alley). Region where it is most popular (Limburg) is NRW adjacent. Usually, any game where there are holes in the ball is called bowling, and without is called Kegelen. 88.159.71.34 (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Article should deleted

This article is about the Tanunda Kegel Club. There is no such thing as an Australian game called by that name. The good burghers of Tanunda have been separated from the Fatherland for too long to remember proper German: it says on their web site: "… had to endure a lengthy layoff from Kegel" — that's neither English nor German. As others have pointed out above, the verb is "kegeln".

Of course Kegeln, or Skittles is played in Australia, just like there are "Liedertafeln" (an article about the Tanunda Liedertafel, fancy that) and "Turnvereine", but those are institutions that German immigrants brought along from Germany — that doesn't make them Australian institutions, and it certainly doesn't differentiate them sufficiently to warrant their own articles.

Wikipedia has a perfectly good article about this sport: Skittles (sport) which is linked to de:Kegeln. This one, about the Tanunda Kegel Cub, lacks notability and should be deleted. Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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You are right with: There is no such thing as an Australian game called by that name

But there is an AUSTRIAN (no kangoroos, lederhosen) game by that name ;)

--EolRuin (talk) 15:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal

If this article is to be merged (and I'm not convinced that it should), I suggest that Nine-pin bowling might be a more suitable target. Deleting this article might be a better service to the encyclopedia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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There are a lot of comments, some right and some not so accurate. Firstly, it can be argued what is right. In Germany you play the game of Kegel, but you go Kegeln. The name comes from the German word for cone, which is in German Kegel. The game has a long history and is actually the forerunner of Tenpin bowling and also a much more difficult game. There are now a number of new, modern Kegelbahns (Kegel Centres) here in Australia. The first automatic pinsetter centre was established at Moonee Beach NSW with 2 lanes, followed up by a 10 lane centre at Coffs Harbour in 2007, 4 lanes at Melbourne in 2011 and the latest 7 lane centre on Hamilton Island. [http:www.kegel-sport.com.au] 120.150.141.231 (talk) 10:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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