Talk:Jund Filastin

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mid-twelfth century?[edit]

What does the "In the mid-twelfth century" part mean? During the mid-12th century, the majority of the area was part of the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem. AnonMoos (talk) 12:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean the mid-13th century, that was the Ayyubid period, when there was apparently a military fief named "Filastin" which had no real substantial continuity with Caliphal Filastin (different borders, etc.). By the way, the main Palestine article seems to pretty much skip over the Ayyubid period... AnonMoos (talk) 02:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the specific page and link for the 20 mosques bit. [1]. Go ahead and remove the 13th century bit, because Yaqut al-Hamawi was just quoting Istakhri (9th century) apparently. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This should probably be under Wikiproject Jordan too, since the boundary between Filastin and Urdunn ran basically east-west (as opposed to the 1923 boundary running in the north-south direction)... AnonMoos (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, WP Syria too, since it was a sub-province of Islamic Syria. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's part of "greater Syria" but maybe not that relevant to Syria in its modern boundaries. AnonMoos (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not relevant modern Syria, but to the history of Syria which is in WP Syria's scope. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Borders[edit]

@Al Ameer son: Nur Masalha describes the extent of Jund Filastin in a way that is not in concordance with the map in the article. This is his description: Aylah‑Filastin under Islam gives us some indication of the vastness and wealth of the province of Jund Filastin which stretched from the fertile plain of Marj Ibn ‘Amer in the north – a rich granary in Palestine and a region which at the time was considered part of lower Galilee – to al‑‘Arish in Sinai and to the trading town of Aylah‑Filastin on the Red Sea. In fact, the province of Jund Filastin encompassed most of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Tertia (Avni 2014: 27). This would include the Negev and parts of the Sinai. What's your opinion, do you think Masalha is reliable here? ImTheIP (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ImTheIP: In general, I would not rely on Masalha for this period of history, especially as there are better sources for it.

1) As far as Arish and to what extent the Sinai had been considered part of Filastin at some point, I am not certain, but will look into it. Under the Mamluks, by which point Filastin ceased to exist as an administrative district, the Gaza Province included Arish.

2) As for Ayla, this was a part of the ‘subdistrict’ (for lack of a better word) of al-Sharat, which spanned most of southern modern Jordan and the northernmost part of the Hejaz. The area of the Sharat originally belonged to Damascus, though it was later attached to Filastin (late Abbasid period?) and ultimately became its own district (later Abbasid period/Fatimid period?).

3) The Balqa subdistrict (working on a draft for this article currently), which spanned the area east of the Jordan River including Amman, was also at times subordinate to Filastin.

The Filastin district shown in the map in this article represents Filastin 'proper'; this is how the district looked like for most of the caliphal period. Will try to incorporate some of the above information into the article within the coming days. After which, it would not be undue to have a second map in the article showing Filastin at its greatest extent. —Al Ameer (talk) 22:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to those who improved this article[edit]

It's always nice when an article gets better over time (which is not the case with all Wikipedia articles)... AnonMoos (talk) 23:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]