Talk:Juan de Saavedra

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There were apparently many prominent Juan de Saavedras in Spanish and Peruvian history, but not so prominent that there is much information on any of them on the Internet. I do not think this Juan de Saavedra is the same person as the Juan de Saavedra who "discovered" Valparaíso in 1536. He could be his son, however. Here are some of the Internet documents I consulted. My guesses as to the relationships with the interim viceroy are given in italics. These could be great-grandfather and grandfather Castellar de la Frontera fue uno de los eslabones de la cadena de fortalezas del reino nazarí, enlazando por el sur con la torre de Palmones y la bahía de Algeciras y al norte con Jimena de la Frontera. En ocasiones era cedida con otros castillos por los reyes de Granada a los benimerines como pago de su socorro contra los cristianos. Juan de Saavedra, alcaide de Jimena de la Frontera, tomó el castillo en 1434. Juan II concedió a Juan de Saavedra la alcaldía de la villa, dándosela más tarde en señorío. Conquistada de nuevo para el reino de Granada, volvió a ser conquistada, una segunda vez, por Juan de Saavedra que recobró su señorío, siendo heredado durante muchas generaciones por los Arias de Saavedra, a los que Carlos V concedió en1539 el título de Condes de Castellar. --http://www.coaatc.es/detalle_noticia.asp?id=315 This could be a confounding of the father and the viceroy Juan de Saavedra ( Valparaíso de Arriba, Cuenca, (España). Participó en la conquista del Perú y se le considera el descubridor de Valparaíso. Militó a las órdenes de Diego de Almagro. En la primera expedición hacia Chile en 1535, Almagro envió a Juan de Saavedra a reconocer las costas en la embarcación que le había traído refuerzos desde el Perú. Saavedra llegó hasta la zona de Alimapu, que llamó Valparaíso, como su pueblo natal. Al regresar de aquella expedición, Hernando Pizarro pretendió atraer a su bando a Saavedra con sus hombres, pero éste que era enemigo de estas luchas fratricidas, no quiso aceptar lo propuesto y se apartó de ambos jefes; cuando supo que Vaca de Castro había llegado a Perú como gobernador con poderes del Rey , se alistó bajo la bandera de éste, y se distinguió en la batalla de Chapas en 1542, en la que fue vencido Almagro. Regresó a España y está enterrado en la iglesia de San Miguel Arcángel de Valparaíso de Arriba. --http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Saavedra This could be the father Juan de Saavedra SAAVEDRA, Juan de, Spanish soldier, born in Seville, Spain, about the end of the 15th century; died in Chuquinga, Peru, 21 May, 1554. He went to Peru in 1584 as chief judge of the expedition of Pedro de Alvarado, but after his arrival entered the service of Diego de Almagro, whom he accompanied in the discovery and conquest of Chile in 1535-'6. In the latter year he founded the city of Valparaiso, and, on his return to Peru, he took part in the battle of Abancay, 12 July, 1537. He acted on behalf of Almagro as commissioner in the negotiations of Mala about the boundaries of New Toledo, but was not present at the battle of Salinas, 6 April, 1538, on account of illness. Although he always refused the offers of the brothers Pizarro during Almagro's life, after the latter's death Saavedra, on account of rivalry with Juan de Rada (q. v.), retired to Lima, and took no part in the battle of Chupas. In 1544, when Gonzalo Pizarro rose in rebellion, he appointed Saavedra his substitute at Huanuco. President Gasca in 1547 induced Saavedra to re-enter the Loyalist party, appointing him captain of cavalry, which corps he commanded in the battle of Jaquijaguana. In 1549 Gasca appointed him governor of Cuzco, but in 1551 he was superseded by the audiencia of Lima. In 1554 the city of Cuzco sent him with the rank of captain to join the army of Alonso de Alvarado, operating against the rebellious Francisco Giron (q. v.), and he met his death at the battle of Chuquinga. --http://www.famousamericans.net/juandesaaveiira/' This could be a son, or even a grandson (A24) Juan de Saavedra was a Spanish army officer on board the ship Zuniga. In his diary he recorded what happened when he reached Liscannor Bay on the west coast of Ireland (23 September 1588). We were in dire need of food... nearly 80 of our soldiers and galley slaves had died of hunger and thirst, the inhabitants refusing to allow us to obtain water; nor would they sell us food. To survive, we took up arms and obtained supplies by force. --http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDarmada.htm A later descendent? In Seville, Don Juan de Saavedra y Alvarado, Marquis of Moscoso, served as alguazil mayor at the auto de fe of March 11, 1691, and November 30, 1693. --http://libro.uca.edu/lea2/4lea2.htm

Split

This is an article that talks about 2 different persons. It should be splitted, but I don't know your rules about disambiguation, and so I'll simply add the {{Split}} Jalo 14:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Split done. SilkTork *^YES! 00:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Identity

Despite the article having been split years ago, there still seems to be an issue regarding the identity of the subject of this page, which according to the information given is not the interim Governor of Peru.--179.6.30.195 (talk) 04:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)