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About this edit [1], here applies Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context clearly cites the country of citizenship and not the region or ethnicity as the criteria for the first sentence of the lead. The term Basque could be added elsewhere on the lead if ethnicity is relevant in the concrete case, and in fact it is already present in the page, in the same sentence "renowned for being one of the main theorists on Basque modern art". See also Talk:Carles Puigdemont#Controversial use of above RfC

Also, this edit deleted without reason "Basque Autonomous Community, Spain", that explained the location of Orio, Gipuzkoa.

I also remind you that, as we can read in the Wikipedia page itself on the Basque Country (autonomous community), its official name is Basque Autonomous Community.

I will adjust the page to meet these criteria. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 10:28, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you have not read this part of the text you cite (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context): "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." And Jorge Oteiza is notable for being Basque, as well as Spanish. --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 08:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Xabier Armendaritz, please can you source your claim that Arnaldo Otegi is notable for being a Basque (a Basque independentist), not a Spanish. I'm not convinced this is true worldwide even if it is in Spain. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 08:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For example, that's the way Arnaldo Otegi is cited in the public Spanish news agency EFE, with worldwide coverage ("Dirigente independentista vasco Otegi"), and The Irish Times ("Arnaldo Otegi, a leading figure of the Basque independence movement").

On the other hand, if you refer to Jorge Oteiza, in this very article you have plenty of references of the importance of his being Basque. And it is very notable, indeed, that for The New York Times Jorge Oteiza is "a Basque artist and intellectual" (not even Spanish!). --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 08:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Xabier Armendaritz, my bad but we need to talk about Oteiza not Otegi in this context. He seems even easier to source than Otegi. Jorge Oteiza Spanish sculptor whose work defined and animated space from The Guardian, Cubism: Jorge Oteiza Jorge Oteiza was a Basque Spanish sculptor and Spanish Sculptor Jorge Oteiza, 94, Dies. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 13:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So we can agree that "Basque Spanish" is a balanced description of Oteiza, isn't it? --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 13:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]