Talk:Jonas Lie (government minister)

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Lie did not commit suicide. He died from a heart attack due to stress and the consumation of a large quantity of alchohol.

It should also be mentioned that he was a high rank police officer before the war. Among other thing he visited the FBI to study their methods, and he escorted Lev Trotsky to Mexico when the Russian was expelled from Norway. Lie was also, like his father and grandfather, a novellist. His greatest success as an author was his thrillers, published during the 1930's under the alias of Max Mauser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linkomfod (talk • contribs) 17:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lie died during a desperate shootout standoff with the authorities at Skallum on 11 May 1945. According to Sverre Rødder's biography of Lie, Min ære er troskap (Aschehoug, 1990), p. 222, that he died of alcohol-related illness is mere speculation. The other details of his life you mention are true, and should be added sometime, maybe when Bernt Rougthvedt's coming biography of Lie is published. — Zalktis 18:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC), Zalktis (talk) 17:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heart attack being the cause of death, and this being related to the stress and heavy drinking, might be speculation, as there was no positive conclusion of the authopsy. But it is the by far most probable explanation. The current statement of unknown cause of death is a mystification; akin to other mystifications (and heroizing) of the death of prominent Nazis. Linkomfod (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, Nils Johan Ringdal's 1989 book on Sverre Riisnæs cites alcohol and pills as the "most likely reason" (p.143). I'll check out Rødder. Punkmorten (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Rødder's book says nothing of a shootout. I don't know where you got that idea. However, it does mention that alcohol may have been one of several factors. Punkmorten (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, Ringdal's Mellom barken og veden, pp. 344ff., gives an account of the standoff at Skallum as well. —Zalktis (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so is there an answer to this question that can be documented through reliable third-party sources -- and by that I mean sources other than the works of Nazi-apologists and the works of their opposite numbers, the Nazi-bashers.

If the autopsy was done with the honest intention of determining the cause of death and was not able to do so then it would seem that Lie did not kill himself and was not killed in a shoot out. However, do we know what group conducted the autopsy and what agenda(s) may have been in play?

Assuming arguendo that he was a heavy drinker, and long-term excessive consumption of alcohol been a causitive factor, wouldn't an autopsy have found signs of that? (71.22.47.232 (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC))[reply]

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