Talk:John Wetteland

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The dark side of this page[edit]

This began as one note, and now is two, since, as I was writing about how I think something on this page is too personal, and should be deleted, when

1. Muboshgu reversed my edit, stating "no reason to separate this into another section." Yet, a logical reason had been provided: "arrests are public record, not personal life" because the allegations against him are public, and the arrest is also public, all being a matter of public record (or would not be there at all), so not personal, and therefore should not be tucked under "Personal life". (Not to mention the effect on victims to see abuse allegations tucked under a "Personal life" heading.) Should he be exonerated, the section then becomes an easy-to-find correction to past media, which does not evaporate, once updated. There was no pre-existing section that suited the item.

I would appreciate some other opinions on that, as I strongly feel that it should be removed from that particular section.

2. My original concern was that the entire paragraph about contemplating suicide, while reported by media, in not scholarly, nor encyclopedic, and too personal for a living person's biography. Additionally, if everyone who contemplated suicide had to potentially see it announced on Wikipedia, less people would ask for help. Any thoughts? Lindenfall (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have "public record life" sections. It's fine where it is. MPS1992 (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1) MOS:LAYOUT suggests not having too many tiny sections, and there's not much content on the arrest. It seems better to me to put it in "Personal life". After all, those personal details are public knowledge if they're included there at all.

2) Speaking of public knowledge, not everyone who contemplates suicide will have that listed in their bio, because many people who contemplate suicide keep that private. But in the case of Wetteland, he was hospitalized and there was press coverage of it. So, it's fair game, whatever the cause of the hospitalization really was. That said, there could be ways to rewrite it that better comply with WP:BLP, and if you can suggest one, we'll consider it. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think "Sgt. Roger Griggs of the sheriff's office" gave a little too much personal information out to the public, and such should not be considered fair game. An encyclopedia ought err on the side of caution, even when the authorities do not. Barring removal, this is about the best i can do with that:

On November 12, 2009, Wetteland was hospitalized; statements issued that night upon his release, by Wetteland and by the Seattle Mariners, indicated that the cause of the hospitalization was "because of an extremely high heart rate" linked to high blood pressure, though emergency services were called on the premise of "mental issues".

Not only do I agree with you on the difference between Public and Personal life, I have experience with Muboshgu gatekeeping certain pages. But an arrest of this nature should be noted in the menu; there is no need to blend these facts in with marriage history. Donutcity (talk)

Lead section[edit]

This is what the lead section says:

"John Karl Wetteland (born August 21, 1966) is an American former baseball pitcher and indicted child rapist, who played 12 seasons in Major League Baseball (1989–2000). In 2019, Wetteland was arrested and indicted on charges of sexually abusing a child under the age of 14. He pitched for four teams: the Los Angeles Dodgers, Montreal Expos, New York Yankees, and Texas Rangers. A relief pitcher, Wetteland specialized as a closer, recording 330 saves during his career. With the Yankees, he won the 1996 World Series over the Atlanta Braves and won the World Series Most Valuable Player Award for saving four games in the series. After his playing career, he served as a coach for the Washington Nationals and Seattle Mariners."

I edited the lead (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Wetteland&diff=962799974&oldid=961023709) to move the part about the arrest/indictment to the final sentence of the lead. It does not seem right that it should be mentiond in the 1st sentence given that he has not been found guilty in a court of law. Also, the arrest is not what he is cheifly known for. My edit was reverted. I believe my edit was correct. 24.29.56.240 (talk) 03:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes look fine to me.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the indictment to the end of the lead vastly improves it. He's notable for his baseball career, not the alleged crime. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]