Talk:John Dory

edible?

But does anyone eat them? Are they commercially fished? If someone knows fill in.

They are commercially fished and we have them on our menu for Mother's Day at the restaurant I work in.Lancslass 23:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

But what do they taste like?212.183.134.66 (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC) it tastes realy fishy, best done an poppiet (in bag made of parchment paper) soaked with white wine and cherry tomatos and olives, salt and pepper. only takes 12-15 min in oven 210 digrees. shane walsh

or butter fried. But what does it mean that "commercially available John Dories come from New Zealand"? Not in Turkey, where we also eat them. --Ekindedeoglu (talk) 21:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

John Dory are commercially fished all over Europe. Many top restaurants serve them: for example Gordon Ramsey's three Michelin starred place in Chelsea serves fillets of John Dory with crab and caviar. It would be nice to have a section dealing with the culinary uses of the John Dory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.111.39 (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

John Dory is a quite exceptional fish and yields two fine bone free fillets. It is not far short of Dover Sole in quality and is a keenly sought fish by gastronaughts. However the last six I dissected all had parasitic worms living in cists in the muscle tissue toward the tail. The worms are bright red and half a millimetre diameter by 1 cm long. Note these parasitic worms are NOT in the gastro-intestinal tract they are in the deep muscle tissue. To check for parasitic worms remove fillets from fish and hold up to a bright light. The raw fish is transluscent and the tiny red coiled worms will be found in cists in the tissue. I've filleted John Dory that had been dead for a day and refrigerated and the worms were still alive. A Marine biologist assured me they were harmless and that they were nick-named "Seal Worm" by some North Sea fishermen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.96.220 (talk) 22:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Just last night I ate John Dory for the first time, at a restaurant. It was served pan-seared so that the skin side of the fillet was crispy and the flesh side moist. Although white and of milder flavor, it kinda reminded me of the texture of Arctic Char with a fair amount of fish oil. It was good. I'm glad that I hadn't read about the seal worms first, though! Should I just think of them as supplemental protein?

I agree that there should be more information added to the article. Is John Dory a subsistence staple for any groups? Is it utilized for sport fishing? Is it commercially fished or farmed for food, fertilizer, or any other uses? Where is it usually harvested from and how is it usually distributed? Where did the fish I ate last night come from, for instance (I live in the Hudson Valley of New York)? It seems to me that its solitary habit would impair commercial fishing. If I'd known that it was imported from so far away as New Zealand, I probably wouldn't have ordered it. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Top Predator?

The article states that it is "the top predator in its habitat" and also that the shark is its predator. This appears to be a contradiction. 81.86.96.87 08:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I'm removing the sentence. If someone wants to put it back, please provide a citation, preferably one that explains how it can be a top predator and in turn be shark food. James A. Stewart (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Odd Phrasing

"It usually gets its food by stalking it then shooting out a tube in its mouth to capture its prey." I have no idea what that even means! 69.141.202.216 (talk) 11:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right that needs tidying up. Actually the whole mouth is beautifully engineered and articulated and can be suddenly shot forward, concertina/bellows fashion, to engulf and suck in its prey. If you take a dory in your hand and pull the lips/mouth parts you will easily see how it elongates and extends into a tube like form. I'm sure this is what the author means. An illustration or animation of this would be a useful addition to the article. Meanwhile if you can find a copy of J. L. B. Smith's classic "The Sea Fishes of Southern Africa" (1949 rev 1953)on page 144 you will find a photograph of a John Dory with with the mouth protruded.

The above paragraph paints a clear picture of the fish's anatomy and function. It would be a good addition to the article along with that citation the author mentioned. Good work, Anonymous Poster! Wordreader (talk) 18:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

that NEEDS tidying up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:C600:50B0:D848:FC5C:97E1:A4A1 (talk) 19:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Origin of Name

This article states the origin of the name is unclear, but on John Dory (song) it clearly states the fish was named after the song. At a minimum, this is inconsistent. Unfortunately, the statement in the other article is unreferenced even if true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheMechanical (talk • contribs) 05:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Could someone accurately elaborate on the issue of its naming by Jules Verne "St Pierre": does anyone know why Jules Verne stated St Peter chose this fish to be selected as fit to enter heaven. Do we have any reliable information as to whether it was largely because of its culinary popularity in Paris and Western Europe at the time, because of its attractive appearance or because the fish has the name of a person so maybe it was a sort of joke? (Adam37 (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC))

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New Zealand or not New Zealand?

The text says the fish are found on the coasts of New Zealand, but the map does not. One or the other should be changed to reflect the truth, whatever that is.--Jim10701 (talk) 23:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the distribution map is inaccurately drawn and misleading. It implies the john dory is an ocean fish and omits New Zealand and other habitats - see [1]. I have deleted the map. --Epipelagic (talk) 00:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Swimming ability?

It has a flat, round body shape and is a poor swimmer.

I'm a poor swimmer! This is a fish, for Pete sakes, of course it cam swim. Can you qualify what you mean by this? Do John Dory spontaneously drown? Do they inadvertently swim upside down if they don't pay enough attention? Or do you mean that in comparison with other fish, they have a different skill set? I'm curious. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Spines?

The John Dory obviously has some prominent spines. Is there any toxin associated with them? Are the spines as protective as they appear to be against the predatory sharks mentioned? Do males and females look alike? Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Loaves and Fishes

Anyone got source for it being Jesus thunmbprint and this being the loaves and fishes fish ?--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht ^Talk/_Stalk 17:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

The Australian Museum has "The John Dory is a distinctively compressed, silvery fish with a black 'thumbprint' on the side of the body. The common name, St Peter's fish, refers to the biblical story in which Peter brings a fish to Jesus." The story is already cited in the article. This does not seem to have anything to do with the miracle of the loaves and small fishes, however. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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