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Was John Argyropoulos at Ferrara-Florence (1438)?[edit]

John Monfasani disputes the assumption that Argyropoulos attended in his article 'The Averroism of John Argyropoulos and His Quaestio utrum intellectus humanus sit perpetuus', I Tatti Studies: Essays in the Renaissance 5 (1993), 157-208, p. 159 (Republished in Greeks and Latins in Renaissance Italy, (Aldershot, 2004). I don't know what the rest of the current scholarship is on this - perhaps the uncertainty should be reflected in the article?Pechark (talk) 17:01, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rm'd refs[edit]

These were all used to cite a single sentence (I left two in the text and removed these three). In case they are useful, leaving here :)

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^ Grendler, Paul F; Renaissance Society of America (1999). Encyclopedia of the Renaissance: Galen-Lyon Volume 3. Scribner's published in association with the Renaissance Society of America. p. 86. ISBN 0684805103. Another Greek, John Argyropoulos (1415-1487), received a degree from the University of Padua in 1444 and then returned to Constantinople{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ Shaw, Christine (2006). Italy and the European powers: the impact of war, 1500-1530. Brill. p. 220. ISBN 900415163X. Machiavelli comments that 'Cosimo was a lover and patron of learned mem [uomini litterah]' and that 'he brought to Florence Argyropoulos, Greek by birth and litteratissimo in those times so that the Florentine so that the Florentine youth might learn from him the Greek language and his other learning
^ Doby, Tibor (1963). Discoverers of blood circulation: from Aristotle to the times of da Vinci and Harvey. Abelard-Schuman. p. 252. OCLC 315911202. Argyropoulos, John (1415-1487), Greek humanist.
^ Campi, Emidio; De Angelis, Simone; Goeing, Anja-Silvia; Grafton, Anthony (2008). Scholarly Knowledge: Textbooks in Early Modern Europe. Librairie Droz. p. 192. ISBN 2600011862. John Argyropoulos (c. 1418-1487), the Greek emigre who had done so much to promote the study of Greek in Italy{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

--Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 16:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic WP:BOMBARD added in Octoper 2009[1] Idk why, as far as is apparent it hasn't ever been doubted that he was Greek. --dab (𒁳) 09:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC) There were some rambling additions by an IP editor in February 2010[2], unreferenced and thus removed, but if anyone has the time maybe worth reviewing. --dab (𒁳) 09:29, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leonardo da Vinci[edit]

It is not known whether Argyropoulos even met Leonardo da Vinci, much less whether the latter attended Argyropoulos' lectures. Of the three sources listed in support of this claim, none of which had page numbers, only one of them meets credibility criteria, Geanakoplos, and he does not make this claim at any point in his book. Of the other two, one cannot found anywhere online or in Jstor and the Vassileiou and Saribalidou self-published article (an article which uses Wikipedia as a source!) supposedly derives the claim that Argyropoulos taught Leonardo from Charles Nicholl's 'Leonardo da Vinci; Flights of the Mind' biography. Nicholl does not make this claim either - it is simply nowhere in his book.

Either find peer-reviewed, academic standard material in support of this claim, with page numbers and links, or else stop trying to make this happen! 2A00:23C6:1403:B801:CBB:2280:912C:767F (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grendler, Paul F; Renaissance Society of America (1999). Encyclopedia of the Renaissance: Galen-Lyon Volume 3. Scribner's published in association with the Renaissance Society of America. p. 86. ISBN 0684805103. Another Greek, John Argyropoulos (1415-1487), received a degree from the University of Padua in 1444 and then returned to Constantinople{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[2] Shaw, Christine (2006). Italy and the European powers: the impact of war, 1500-1530. Brill. p. 220. ISBN 900415163X. Machiavelli comments that 'Cosimo was a lover and patron of learned mem [uomini litterah]' and that 'he brought to Florence Argyropoulos, Greek by birth and litteratissimo in those times so that the Florentine so that the Florentine youth might learn from him the Greek language and his other learning

[3] Doby, Tibor (1963). Discoverers of blood circulation: from Aristotle to the times of da Vinci and Harvey. Abelard-Schuman. p. 252. OCLC 315911202. Argyropoulos, John (1415-1487), Greek humanist.

[4] Campi, Emidio; De Angelis, Simone; Goeing, Anja-Silvia; Grafton, Anthony (2008). Scholarly Knowledge: Textbooks in Early Modern Europe. Librairie Droz. p. 192. ISBN 2600011862. John Argyropoulos (c. 1418-1487), the Greek emigre who had done so much to promote the study of Greek in Italy{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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