Talk:Johann Weikhard von Valvasor

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Carniolian?[edit]

Carniolian? That's like saying that a historian from Graz is a Styrian historian, and not an Austrian. I have changed it, if you have objections please state them here, before we start an edit war. Wikingus 22:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One objection might be that Slovenia did not exist in Valvasor's day, so "Slovenian" is questionable. Valvasor considered himself a Carniolan ("nam Kranjcem") and referred to his homeland as Carniola ("v moji domovini, namreč na Kranjskem"). I don't think it's going to start an edit war, especially as in your next comment you admit that he considered himself a Carniolan! Rabascius (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An example that the modern ideology of (here: Slovenian) ethnic nationalism cannot be applied to pre-1789 times. Where is his passport? - "...was a nobleman, scholar and polymath..." would be adequate. The second sentence already explains his background. 85.178.149.208 (talk) 08:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But there existed SLOVENIAN LANGUAGE, in Freising Manuscript, so basically were people who spoke it old Slovenians and not Austrians or Hungarians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:EE2:2D01:BD00:D896:661D:A4F2:BBD6 (talk) 20:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, other articles say Dante was Italian or that Leibniz was German inspite of the fact that neither Italy nor Germany had existed at the time so it's ok to say Valvasor was Slovenian. He lived in Slovenia, spoke slovenian even wrote in slvoenian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.69.176 (talk) 10:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So then the Freising Manuscripts were not written in the Slovene language but in Austrian language too? This was a language of a certan nation, which was not german. And that's the whole point of this book; to separate german and slavic lands and their languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.113.136 (talk) 23:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Janez Vajkard?[edit]

In Slovenia Valvasor is usually referred to by this Slovenicised version of his name but it seems to me that to maintain this practice in English smacks of historical revisionism. I propose that the article be moved to "Johann Weichard Valvasor", which, after all, is the name on the title page of the works that are his principal claim to international fame. You can even see it in the illustration! Rabascius (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You won't get any objections from me. However, I'd hardly say that calling him Janez Vajkard is historical revisionism. As he was Slovene and spoke Slovene (obviously, he also spoke German, but as far as I know wasn't ethnically German, and in any case, didn't perceive himself as such, but first of all as a Carniolan), what's the problem? Naturally, all men of importance during those days mostly used the German versions of their names (almost any Slovene name of the era had a German version that was often used in official papers). Wikingus (talk) 21:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Granted, many a "Janez" is referred to as "Johann" or "Ioannes" in written sources, but in the case of "Vajkard" versus "Weichard", I doubt anyone would seriously try and claim that the latter is a Germanisation of the former! My view is that calling him "Janez Vajkard" is a political choice designed to underline his perceived Sloveneness. As far as I know, he never signed himself "Janez". What did his mother call him, I wonder? "Little swot", probably... Rabascius (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not put him in an English-languange encyclopedia in the form he is registered by a reliable and neutral source like the ROYAL SOCIETY? Wouldn't that be fair?--Marschner (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That may very well be a credible source, but you're not credible at all. Your profile says it all. Carinthian Slovenes LEARNED Slovene? Oh please. I've never had any problems understanding Carinthian Slovenes at all. And you probably wouldn't know this, but the majority of Slovenian dialects have a lot of German words in them, so there's a good chance you'd understand the basic jist of a person talking in the Slovenian Upper Carniolan dialect. But only very, very few old people still use 'hardcore' dialects like that. Why would the Carinthian Slovenes be any different.
This is a bit off topic, but you get the idea. You don't seem to be a very credible poster (Peter Kozler signed himself as Peter Kozler and NOT Peter Kosler, and you want to dispute THAT? FFS...) in any case... 80.95.236.120 (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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