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In her book "What Makes This Book So Great" (p. 320), she mentions an ex-husband. There is no mention in the wiki page of a former spouse.
Hotgardener (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hugo, Nebula, and World Fantasy nominations error[edit]
The article states "Among Others is one of only seven novels to have been nominated for the Hugo, Nebula and World Fantasy Awards." This is incorrect. There are actually 21 novels that have been nominated for all three awards. They are:
Mockingbird wasn't nominated for the Hugo or WFA (source), but the rest look correct. I count 12 before 2013, so The Austin Chronicle was wrong even at the time it was published. Thanks for pointing this out, I've removed the sentence entirely. Btw, a note: while ISFDB is usually accurate, it is a user-generated wiki and so it isn't considered a reliable source to cite here. (An ok substitute would be SFADB). Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Welsh-Canadian means a person of Welsh extraction born in Canada, at least to broad segments of English readers. WP:CONTEXTBIO says we use a single nationality in the lead sentence - the nationality held at the time the subject became notable. If the subject did not become notable until after emigrating to Canada, they are described solely as Canadian in the lead sentence, otherwise as Welsh. WP:CONTEXTBIO says we only include nationality in the lead sentence, not ethnicity. In Welsh-Canadian, Welsh is being used as an ethnicity. Skyerise (talk) 06:41, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Skyerise: I don't see where that MOS guideline talks about a single nationality? The source is The Oxford Companion to Fairy Tales, which explicitly states Welsh-Canadian science fiction and fantasy writer and poet. Since this is a scholarly source, it seems perfect for determining which of Walton's nationalities is notable (per the source, both). Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 06:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase does not mean the same thing to all English readers, American and Australian readers don't read it the same as Oxford does. Hyphenated nationalities are misleading. Did you actually read WP:CONTEXTBIO: "previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability". Really I got it wrong, it should be 'Canadian'. But put an 'and' in it and I have no objections to including Welsh. Skyerise (talk) 07:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"unless it is relevant to the subject's notability" - precisely; what I mean is that "notability" is best determined by an Oxford Companion bio (rather than by nationality at the time she won awards). In any case, I have no objections to your current wording. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 07:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what relevant to notability means. We don't for example introduce black Americans as African-American, unless they were involved in an incident or protest which was notable because of their race. Once a person emigrates from Wales to Canada, they are of Canadian citizenship or nationality, and the use of Welsh is an ethnicity. Welsh-Canadian is ethnicity-nationality. Oxford's manual of style allows this; Wikipedia's manual of style does not. We don't use them even if they can be sourced to Oxford. It's not so hard to add 'and', which makes it mean the same thing to all readers. Skyerise (talk) 07:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dual citizenship is certainly possible, e.g. Alan Cumming (and there's the hyphenated David Thompson (explorer)). So I would not say with 100% confidence that Welsh is ethnicity while Canadian is nationality (or even that Oxford's MOS differs from ours). Mentioning both with the "and" seems ok. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 08:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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