Talk:Jill Valentine

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@Damien Linnane: I think the other user removed the other voice actresses because of it made the lead overdetailed. Only the most important parts of the character should be used in the lead based on guidelines.Tintor2 (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tintor2: They didn't remove the voice actresses, they removed the live-action actresses from the films. I agree voice actresses would be too much information for the lead, but I'm inclined to think physical portrayals are very relevant, especially since there's only been two of them. Your thoughts? Damien Linnane (talk) 15:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

She's probably going to appear in the upcoming Netflix film. It's going to be overdetailed soon, but since it's an FA article and a lot of people watchlisted this article, I have no problem with what the consensus is, since it will be updated quickly, unlike other RE characters. BloatedBun (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, btw, the article in the appearances section didn't mention Jill also being a playable character in the multiplayer Resident Evil: Resistance. You might want to add that. BloatedBun (talk) 22:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC) 

I'm happy for it to be trimmed back if and when there are other appearances in film. Considering Sienna's portrayal spanned multiple films and is therefore undoubtedly the longest running live portrayal, I'd be inclined to trim it back to a sentence mentioning her portrayal and then making passing reference to the fact other live-action portrayals exist. We can cross that bridge when we come to it though.

Also it's my understanding several Resident Evil games she appears in aren't explicitly mentioned, but rather, this is covered by the sentence 'Valentine is a playable character in several non-canon Resident Evil games'. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I just thought about it when I cleaned up several Resident Evil character articles like Ethan Winters and Rebecca Chambers, both at GAN now. But I guess once she appears more, then it will be the right time to trim it. Thanks for the detailed response. BloatedBun (talk) 02:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what to do, but ref 77 is dead and couldnt find it on google search. BloatedBun (talk) 09:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

The archived version is still working: [1]. I've updated the relevant ref parameter so the title will link to the archived version now. Thanks for pointing this out. Damien Linnane (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

dead citation

ref 120 and ref 121 are dead. Can someone lend a hand. GlatorNator (talk) 04:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Since the references were archived, now that the original URL is dead I've switched to the archived version by default, by changing the 'url-status' parameter to 'dead', as is customary. Damien Linnane (talk) 05:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this source should be implemented [2] at the article on why jill doesn't age, thou im not sure how to say it. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

"Jill", not "Valentine"

Jill Valentine should be referred to throughout the article as "Jill", not "Valentine" (and similarly for other characters — "Chris", not "Redfield"). I understand it's polite convention to refer to people by their last names, but this is not typically afforded to fictional characters. Per MOS:LASTNAME:

For fictional entities, use common names. For example, Jason, Luigi, and Wesker.

The common shortened name for Jill Valentine is "Jill". That's how she's consistently referred to in the games, films and related media. So the article should reflect that. — Kawnhr (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Pinging Aoba47, since they reverted the change. — Kawnhr (talk) — Kawnhr (talk) 03:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The current wording at MOS:LASTNAME was actually suggested by myself, after I discovered there was a clear consensus at WikiProject Video games that video game characters should be referred to by their common names. See this discussion. Damien Linnane (talk) 04:35, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

"Jill" appears to be the most used name in sources, so I support using that. Popcornfud (talk) 09:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Kawnhr: Thank you for bringing this to the talk page. I primarily reverted the change as I believed it should be discussed first. I am okay with my revert being reverted since @Damien Linnane: agrees with the change and there is a consensus for using first names for fictional characters. I do not have strong feelings either way about it. Aoba47 (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I definitely don't oppose the change, but I don't have strong feelings about it either. She probably is referred to as Jill more often, but she is at least more recognisable as by her surname than other RE characters (I.e. Sheva Alomar) so I never considered referring to her by her last name to be an issue. This change will make it consistent with the other RE characters though. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. It would be ideal to have consistency with all the articles on the Resident Evil characters so that works for me. Aoba47 (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, consistency was the main reason I went and made the change. I've been touching up some of the other character pages, where they are always referred to by their given names, and saw this was out-of-step. — Kawnhr (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

That is understandable. I have reverted my revert as there is a consensus forming to use the first name rather than the last names. Thank you for your patience with this discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

No worries, happy to see an easy resolution. I admit I could have said more in my edit summary. — Kawnhr (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, and you are all good. I am always happy when a resolution is reached. Aoba47 (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)