Talk:Jericho Vincent

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Sources[edit]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/leah-vincent-recounts-her-journey-from-orthodox-jew-to-independent-woman-in-cut-me-loose/story-fnixwvgh-1226811093520

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304549504579320683901880384

http://nypost.com/2014/01/25/nyc-woman-finds-redemption-after-shunned-by-family/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546290/Orthodox-Jewish-woman-shunned-family-age-17-graduates-Harvard.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.105.78.10 (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Her own book Cut Me Loose: Sin and Salvation After My Ultra-Orthodox Girlhood

208.105.78.10 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notice that most of these are actually the same article syndicated to different newspapers? It seems to me that as Wikipedia editors we should pay attention to the body of the article, not its headline, nor the number of publications that syndicate it. I don't have the book. I think that it better reflects the sources to say, "according to 2014 press coverage, before attending Brooklyn College, Vincent was raped, and on one occasion took money for sex." --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting this. I suspect this mean that the assertions listed above are poorly sourced and should, according to the biographies of living persons policy, be removed right now. Thoughts, anyone? Nick Levine (talk) 17:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how to respond to the messages that you sent me, so I guess I'll respond here. In her memoir she uses a pseudonym for her maiden name as to disassociate from her parents as well as to protect their privacy. In addition, the first paragraph of the source regarding her name says that Vincent was the name of her first husband, it wasn't just a name she chose, so that is incorrect. Also, having sex for money once does not constitute being called a prostitute. In terms of her education, she was the first in her family to go to college and she did in fact graduate from Harvard's Kennedy School, it is not just something that she claims. Her memoir is not just about her relationships with men, though that is part of it, her memoir is about her life and how she survived following her leave from ultra-orthodoxy. The person who added those comments published them to damage Leah Vincent's reputation, a common occurrence when one leaves the insular ultra-orthodox community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.111.227.167 (talk) 17:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WSJ - I don't have access to this article (book review)
news.com and Daily Mail are syndications of the New York Post article
The Elle article is an interview with the author. http://www.elle.com/pop-culture/reviews/leah-vincent-profile

All three are timed to coincide with the book launch, so they are not really independent of the book. To some extent, apart from the headlines, they tell us what the publisher and agent want us to think about the book.

I support the BLP noticeboard decision to delete and oversight name-calling, exaggeration and outing on the article and Talk page.

Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also support the BLP noticeboard decision. Nick Levine (talk) 09:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of book publicity (reviews and interviews) from the book agent:

* http://leahvincent.wordpress.com/media/

That lists more articles than those we discussed so far. I haven't read them.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It Gets Besser[edit]

An edit I made to add some detail to the mention of her involvement in the "It Gets Besser" project was removed. Wouldn't it be helpful to add some descriptive information to something that most readers would be entirely unfamiliar with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aburstein (talk • contribs) 05:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Sorry for their removal. I've restored the deleted text. Nick Levine (talk) 06:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IP edits[edit]

Sorry for editing as an IP, i forgot to log in. this may not be protected, but i bet people are watching. the last few minutes were mine, and im a seasoned editor (not perfect though), with a copy of the book for reference User:Mercurywoodrose.50.193.19.66 (talk) 16:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

her book describes her as an activist. i put her in "critics of judaism" but i worry that category also includes anti semites. if we can clarify that category, it would help immensely.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]