Talk:Jean-Pierre Danel

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Originally tagged as a copyright violation from http://www.jeanpierredanel.com/biouk.html, but a GFDL release of the content has been secured.

--howcheng {chat} 20:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi all. I drop a quick note here to inform you that this article, and others that were created by the same person or team, got "whiped out" on FR, because of the (almost) total lack of independant, trustworthy sources. No-one, I mean no professional writer, ever wrote a single line on JPD except for himself. The only thing his promotion team finally gave us as sources were sales charts, a single interview in a French magazine and an article written by JPD himself about his guitar. This is not enough, by far, to keep the article as it is today, since there is absolutely no background or analysis of any kind in these sources. So we kept the minimum, which is the biographic stuff, and removed anything that sounds too much like promotion. Now it's up to you guys. ;) Alchemica (talk) 11:14, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"No professional writer, ever wrote a single line" ? https://www.rollingstone.fr/jean-pierre-danel-35-ans-a-ombre-de-sa-guitare/ https://www.guitarpart.fr/portrait-jean-pierre-danel-guitar-part/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.48.7.163 (talk) 14:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This page should not be speedily deleted because the deleted French page was the subject of false allegations, and was suppressed against any logical criteria. This was a little haters game,sources are countless, the web provides tons of evidences. --92.160.220.131 (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Dear IP, I've allowed myself to edit your remark above, in order to make it clearer that both paragraphs were yours.)
Well still, none of these countless sources you talk about have been judged sufficient to keep the article, despite JPD's alleged notoriety. If more than thirty contributors have judged the page and its sources flawed enough not to risk keeping the article, believe me, there is a pretty good reason and it didn't happen "against any logical criteria". Moreover, no-one "hates" JPD. At least, I don't (I even voted "keep" on FR), and it's not out of hatred that I propose to delete the English equivalent of a deleted page about a French artist, an equivalent that shares exactly the same flaws as the original. Again, just as we said on FR, evidence of a fact does not make its importance or notoriety and is not the same thing as a serious, independant, secondary source. To this day, there is still no real article dedicated to JPD in a national music magazine, for example. He is cited countless times on the web, sure, but just cited, without any sufficient context whatsoever, which does not leave us with enough material to write a proper encyclopedia article. No we'll see if the admins here think that a speedy deletion, which would mean following the opinion of French-speaking contributors who's made thorough researches, is a good or a bad idea. It's up to them, so please don't remove the label until they've made a decision. If they chose not to delete right away, we'll go for another round of debate, but I already guess how it will turn out and how it will end. Alchemica (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The speedy deletion reason given on the tag is entirely invalid and there are NO grounds whatsoever for SPEEDY deletion of this article. What happens on another language Wikipedia is irrelevant to the English Wikipedia, as each Wikipedia has its own notability standards. Article was kept at Articles for Deletion in early 2014. If deletion of this article is sought, the ONLY correct course would be to take this article back into Articles for Deletion and attempt to reach a community consensus for deletion. Thanks. Safiel (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely right, Safiel: I should have, at least, proposed a regular deletion process instead. Sorry for the waste of time. Alchemica (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just ask for it. A new consensus from community can only be beneficial for Wikipedia Icezackazilov (talk) 14:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment And please check some new links added in my comment a platinum disc, a prime time tv show, a documentary about his carreer and numerous gold discs, restimonies from French and international music stars and major companies CEOs. This question is just ridiculous. The vote in France was organised by people who wanted the article off, that's all. If everyone knew, the vote would habe been different. You dislike the records, but not consider they have no success or existence. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.160.220.131 (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here)

JP Danel is the subject of a little haters war, on a French forum where someone made a appeal to saccage his wikipedia pages, all that based on false allegations (such a officially certified gold disc could be a false anyway (even presented by Sony's CEO), charts positions are not proofs, TV show appearences doesn't make someone an artist, etc.).

His last album was at #7 in the charts (as seen from the link on the article) and is tv advertised (as all his albums it seems).

He just received a platinum disc a few days ago : http://www.purepeople.com/article/pascal-danel-tres-fier-de-son-fils-jean-pierre-reunion-de-famille-en-platine_a186328/1

Biggest shops in France offer his albums and books : http://www.e-leclerc.com/espace+culturel/artiste/jean-pierre-danel/liste

Here are some recent links I found :

A trailer with testimonies of various French and international stars + CEOS of Sony and Warner Music : http://www.dailymotion.com/jpdanel

A prime time tv show last march : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4c4i1k_jean-pierre-danel-michael-jones-medley-live-mars-2016_music

A show on national tv with a 6 minutes subject on his gold discs and guitar collection : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4c1exf_jean-pierre-danel-pascal-danel-interview-et-reportage-tv-mai-2016-guitar-tribute_music

The article includes a number of links, and there many others available. This a disparagement campaign. You should let people play such a game. I followed what happened in France, and that was absolutly insane. They even wrote on the French page he was a porn movie composer and addict. Pure lies and diffamations. One shouldn't let such things be done on wikipedia. I think the page must be protected from vanndalims. Thanks a lot. --92.160.220.131 (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I should not have proposed a speedy deletion, and I apologize about this. Nevertheless, we have the exact same problem here... Which is: dailymotion sources, youtube sources, catalogs, all are primary sources. BUT, I don't care if contributors here think that such material is enough to keep the page: fine by me, I will not insist, just as I strictly don't care if Danel has a Wikipedia article or not. I'm not for or against him; I even provided his team with some advices a few years back. So well, on my side, I'd rather forget about it and let people here, who are more used to the way EN works than I do, decide if a deletion process is to be considered or not. Cheers. Alchemica (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disparagement campaign from the same French contributors, who refused any source, any link, any evidence. There are links to the French Producers Syndicate (SNEP) with gold discs certifications and charts, documentary with comments from many people, including Sony and Warner CEOs, Brian May of Queen, etc. Videos with gold discs presentations by Sony's CEO, prime time tv shows, charts, etc. This is just a joke. His last album is TV advertised right now in France, and was at #7 a few weeks ago. The French contributors are from a guitar forum which made an appeal to saccage Danel anywhere, and they celebrated the deletion of his Wkipedia page as their victory. All that is based on false allegations and is easilly proved wrong, but they refused everything pretending that being in the charts, having gold discs and being on prime time TV shows would not be not a proof of being a notable musician... ! Absolutly ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.220.245.178 (talk) 15:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For your information, there were more than 30 votes in favor of deleting this article. So all those contributors were corrupted?!
In addition, Jean-Pierre Danel has publicly called his friends on his Facebook page to come on Wikipedia to write against the procedure of deletion. Therefore, I can I ask to Wikipedia US to semi-protect this page and the page about deletion before all this become a big mess, please? As you can already see, you'll see a lot of anonymous ip this page! Thank you. Icezackazilov (talk) 16:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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