Talk:James Rowland (RAAF officer)

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Reviewer: Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 03:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tks for volunteering, mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. In return, can you please review General Dynamics F-111C and/or Northrop YF-23 for me? Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 07:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That can probably be arranged... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • "The next year he was" I'd say replace "next" with "following" because next is normally use in a conversation, so next year might mean 2012.
    • Agree.
  • does "rural" need to be wikified?
    • Depends who you ask, but since you've taken the time to review this article we'll go with your preference... ;-)
Early life and World War II
  • "Master Bomber" is capitalised, how come "flight lieutenant" isn't?
    • Heh, where were you when I was arguing with people that ranks should always be capitalised?! I used to do that but it seems the prevailing mood at WP (and, to be fair, in a number of the sources) is to make them lower case in prose except where used as a title (e.g. "Air Marshal Rowland"). As to Master Bomber, I have no issue making it lower case if you think it works better.
  • "continued on" remove latter word.
    • Generally I'd agree but I think the "continued on to" is appropriate when the sense is "proceeded to" -- I didn't use the latter because it sounded a bit routine for this instance.
  • "great determination and devotion to duty". source?
    • The Gazette -- will change the full stop to a semi-colon to make it clearer.
Post-war RAAF career
  • is "chief test pilot" a title? If yes, it should be capitalised. How about "air marshal", "squadron leader" etc.
  • shouldn't "group captain" be capitalised?
    • See earlier response re. caps.
  • "In 1957, he raised concerns that the supersonic Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, ... ill-suited for any purpose except interception." - please provide a quote from the source as to verify.
    • "A visit to the United States in May 1957 convinced Defence Minister Sir Philip McBride that the RAAF would be 'ill advised' to proceed with the F-104 as it was far too specialised. Doubts had surfaced in the RAAF, too, where senior test pilot and engineer Wing Commander Jim Rowland had learnt during informal discussions with USAF colleagues of the aircraft's considerable limitations in all but the air intercept role."


Sources and images
  • "Stephens; Isaacs, High Fliers, pp. 158–161" shouldn't that be formatted like this "Stephens and Isaacs 1996, pp. 158–161"? I thought the format was "AUTHOR SURNAME(S) YEAR, PAGE (RANGE)", with the titles omitted.
    • This format is also acceptable -- at least it's seen me through scores of GA, A-Class and FA reviews... ;-)
  • "Stephens, Alan (2006) [2001]" why are there two years?
    • Standard for when the edition you use is later than the original publishing date. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link?[edit]

The Sydney Uni pdf (ref 42) seems to have been removed from their website? If it can't be retrieved,

- this page mentions the Doctor of Engineering: http://sydney.edu.au/arms/archives/history/HonRowlandJA.shtml

- this page mentions Chancellor of the University of Sydney from 1990 to 1991: http://sydney.edu.au/arms/archives/history/FUO/VC_Rowland.shtml

JennyOz (talk) 09:17, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tks Jenny, I'll be going through every link before it hits the front page. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image sizes[edit]

Why do the images have to be boosted in size? Is it to compensate for there only being two of them? --John (talk) 11:37, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's what I suggested in my edit summary: I often find that images of complete aircraft or full figures look a bit tichy at the default size, and I think by boosting it a bit we may give the reader something they don't have to click on to see decent detail, without overwhelming the text. Also I haven't seen anything in the MOS discouraging use of the upright parameter for this purpose (as opposed to using fixed image sizes in pixels). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, as these images show a WW2-era aircraft and two men crouching. They are no more legible at the slightly larger size, they are just bigger. We generally follow the practice that the thumbnails in the articles are just that, thumbnails, and to see a larger version a reader can click on them. I eventually accepted the logic that the pictures at Vincent van Gogh were so critically important to understanding the subject that some should be displayed larger, but really cannot see either the logic or the aesthetics of this choice. --John (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I added/restored some colour shots of the more modern types that reflected the latter part of his career. I would rather have four pics at normal size than two at blown-up size. What do you think? --John (talk) 22:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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