Talk:Israeli razing of cemeteries and necroviolence against Palestinians

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Requested move 21 January 2024[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No Consensus - The essential dispute is about accuracy here and there is no consensus on this. "Necroviolence" being a neologism is a valid point. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli razing of cemeteries and necroviolence against Palestinians → Israeli razing of cemeteries and alleged necroviolence against Palestinians – Remedy a WP:POV title. The title should not take a position on whether Israel is committing necroviolence. Schierbecker (talk) 06:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 12:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree: and there is no reason to wait to do so, I will do so now. The article should state that Israeli forces are committing necroviolence if and when is is proved, however (in my case) I have not come across proved cases so far, unlike therazing of cemeteries which has been confirmed by NYT and CNN.15:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Keizers and Schierbecker: I don't think "razing" of cemeteries is the best title either; this article covers a number of activities, including the establishment of military positions and the exhumation of bodies - which, according to Israel, are done as part of a search for the bodies of hostages; see CNN article, along with many others.

I think something like Israeli damage and destruction of Gaza cemeteries would be the best title; it is neutral, it is more concise than the current or proposed title, and it matches how reliable sources describe this. BilledMammal (talk)

how about Israeli damage and destruction of Palestinian cemeteries and alleged necroviolence - the alleged activities include "playing with" the bodies using bulldozers, mixing up of the human remains and leaving corpses exposes. That is not damage and desruciton but rather necroviolence in general. Israeli alleged necroviolence also includes removing organs from corpses, delay in returning prisoners´corpses to families until the end of the sentence given of said prisoner, cemeteries without names only numbers, as well as damage/razing of cemeteries.Keizers (talk) 17:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need to put that much weight on the alleged necroviolence - it goes beyond the weight given by sources, particularly WP:HQRS - and doing so results in a title that is excessively long. BilledMammal (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Necroviolence sounds loaded; maybe also a neologism or obscure term. Consider removing? I don't have a horse in this race so nobody "@" me. Schierbecker (talk) 18:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: No need to add "alleged" when several instances are well documented in reliable sources. MarioGom (talk) 22:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "Necroviolence" is an obscure word and seemingly a neologism, as Schierbecker suggests. I would avoid it – please try to use plainer language. Like (mis)treatment of corpses (and cemeteries). Adumbrativus (talk) 04:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your points, however, it usefully covers a range of activities which are clearly related: damage to cemeteries, mistreatment of corpses and human remains, which doesn't only happen in cemeteries, but also (allegedly) in military prisons (by keeping corpses until they "serve their sentences"), and in the process of returning fighters' bodies back to their families (in some cases allegedly without organs). Again, the term necroviolence very usefully covers all of these things, which is perhaps why it is increasingly used by the U.N., Al-Jazeera, and of course by academia and by Palestinian activist sources themselves. If we don't use it we will have a mouthful of a title, "Israeli mistreatment of Palestinian corpses and damage to Palestinian cemeteries". Keizers (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per sources it seems well documented in reliable media.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 16:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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