Talk:Ip Man (film)

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November 30, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
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August 19, 2013Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article

Name[edit]

In the film, they called him Ip Man, not Yip Man. Ldude 893 (talk) 12:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which parts of the film were true?[edit]

Which parts of the film were actually true? For example did Yip Man really beat up a Japanese general? I mean he could hardly get away with that at the time. 81.156.180.213 (talk) 14:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I just watched the movie: no point in quibbling about details, the whole thing is complete fantasy. The real Yip Man wasn't even living in Foshan during the Japanese occupation, for a start. He didn't leave for Hong Kong until 1949, fleeing the Communists, not the Japanese. None of the fights are based on any real events. No one acted realistically: The Japanese soldiers would have massacred the Chinese mob at the end, for instance. They had rifles, but never shot once when the mob attacked them. It's not a biographical movie but a rewriting and making up history to make Chinese feel good. Barsoomian (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


An IP editor added this text below to the "Historical accuracy" section. Seems to be sourced from this forum: [1]. But the English at least makes no sense, so I have deleted it. If someone can translate the Chinese and post an intelligible version, please feel free. Barsoomian (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Other inaccuries include those listed in the following newspaper article:

Wing Chun master Si Kwok Lam and Yip Chun co-produced movie "Yip man", who had apologized 6 times and "served Tea" to Yuen Kay San's grandson(left in picture, wearing glasses) for misrepresenting and disrespectful to the Lengendary death dual champion during 1920-1950s during a news conference in China, Mr. Si and Yip admitted in front of documents and witness that Yuen Kay San represented Wing Chun family and answer all the public death duals in Foshan in those years, he is senior to Yipman in the Wing Chun family tree.

Mr. Xi Kwok Lam (Yip Man’s son’s student and movie producer of the Ip Man 3) apologized and served tea to Yuen Jo Tong for misreprensenting his grandfather Yuen Kay San’s reputation and status in Wing Chun history. (In the movie, Yuen Kay San was portrayed as Yip Man’s younger Kung Fu brother, not as skillfull as Yipman)[9].

Three Heroes of Wing Chun

Yao Wing Ken (Yoa Choy’s grandson) explains that, "in the old days of Foshan, his grandfather Yao Choy, Yip Man and Yuen Kay San were called the "Three Heroes of Wing Chun" and often mentioned together. Yuen Kay San's disciple Leung Jan Sing also provided an ancestral document indicating that Yuen Kay San studied with Feng Shui Ching, while Yipman and others studied under Yuen. This record was passed down in the 70's of last century. Although Yip Man is not necessarily Yuen’s official student, in the order of seniority on the family tree, Yuen Kay San ranked at the first level, with Yip Man being last. It would be normal for Yip Man to ask Yuen Kay San for instruction. Below is the original Chinese quoted from the original article in the Dayoo Newspaper of Guangzhou:

还原历史： 　　“咏春三雄”齐名 　 　姚永强介绍，当年在佛山，他的爷爷姚才与叶问、阮奇山并称“咏春三雄”，三人齐名，武功不相上下。阮奇山 的徒孙梁湛声还提供了祖传的记录，记录上写明， 阮奇山师从冯少青，而叶问与其他多个咏春武者一同在阮奇山的门下。“这本记录是上世纪70年代 留下的， 这也不能说叶问是他的徒弟，但论资历，阮奇山排第 一，叶问最后，叶问向他请教很正常。

^ "冼国林向阮祖棠斟茶道 (Xi Kwok Lam serves tea to Yuen Jo Tong)". Yang Sing National Newspaper (China). 2010. Retrieved 2010-07-16. ^ "还原历史： (Restore History)". Dayoo Newspaper (Guangzhou, China). 2010. Retrieved 2010-07-18.

Japanese Karate not realistic for the time[edit]

Japanese karate in the 1930s was not known for high kicks, as portrayed in the film. Japanes karate kicks of the time were stumpy, like the Wing Chun kicks. High kicks came from Korean 'karate', which GIs learnt whilst in Korea and brought back to the US, and then spread throughout martial art schools. 86.134.235.222 (talk) 23:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not only was the Japanese karate in the film not realistic for the 1930s, the height of the Japanese karatekas were also not realistic for the period. Japanese males were quite short in the 1930s. An average height of 5 foot to five foot 2 inches for the Japanese karatekas would have been truer for the period. 81.156.180.208 (talk) 16:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed about the film's use of fiction/facts[edit]

Based on what I've read, most events depicted were created for the film. "There is one historical fact about real-life martial arts master Ip Man that we can all agree on: the Wing Chun teacher was indeed Bruce Lee’s master for several years in Hong Kong.... However, the rest of the film is completely questionable. ...Rather than a flesh-and-blood character, the Ip Man in Ip Man is more of a folk hero caricature." http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews_2/ip_man.html

We should have more citations regarding this. Shawnc (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Semi-protection[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} There have been some previous vandalism on the page from unregistered users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankRizzo2006 (talk • contribs)

What should be done to it then?  Ilyushka88  talk  07:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. You want it to be semi-protected? If you think that should be done, I suggest you to have a look at WP:ROUGH and then go to WP:RFP and request for semi-protection.  Ilyushka88  talk  07:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External Links[edit]

Extra external links that didn't belong --Peppagetlk 14:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ip Man (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll be doing a review for this film shortly. It's playing at my local theater and after I go see it, i'll continue with the review. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've started reviewing the article. The prose is generally strong so far but I have some questions regarding sources. wu-jing.org seems to be a fan site. Can you find proof of this website being a reliable source? Same for kungfucinema.com. Cite 21b does not mention what it claims to be citing. Cites 47, 48 and 49 need accessdates at least. Cites to http://www.ipman-movie.com/blog/?cat=5 seem to be broken.

I'll go forth with the review more thoroughly after the wu-jing.com as a resource is ok'd. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's 04 September now, over a month since the review began. Maybe someone else should review this, getting it out the way.RAIN..the..ONE HOTLINE 14:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To offer an opinion on the source, the website wu-jing.org calls itself a "fansite dedicated to wu jing and martial arts films" which does not sounds like it's reliable. Ergo, unless sourcing can be fixed soon, the article should be failed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree. There has not been any way new updates to this that I've seen to undo the wu jing cites, so I don't know if I can mark this further. If it's not updated at all to fix this by Friday, I'm going to fail this article for now. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing's been changed, at all. Shouldn't it be removed now?RAIN..the..ONE HOTLINE 21:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, at this point nothing's going to change, so I'm failing the article. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Languages?[edit]

The languages in the info box are listed as Cantonese, Mandarin & Japanese. I only speak English and watched this with subtitles, so I am not sure of the languages used. The Japanese were obviously speaking Japanese, with an interpreter when necessary, but were the Chinese characters speaking in both Cantonese and Mandarin? If so, who was speaking which and what significance does it have? If not, what was the original language, Cantonese or Mandarin? 87.157.212.100 (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Hello 87.157.212.100, the main language of this film is Cantonese with the Japanese soldiers speaking Japanese. I don't think that I remember hearing any Mandarin being spoken in the film at all which would make sense as it is set in the Guangdong region where they only really speak Cantonese. I think that some users are mixing the infobox info up by putting in languages the film is available in. On the infobox template page Template:Infobox_film#Parameters it says:

"Insert the language primarily used in the film. Databases often give every language spoken within the film, even if they only reflect a few lines in the overall script. Only in rare cases of clearly bilingual or multilingual films, enter separate entries with a line break (
). In the case of a single language without any additional text, it will automatically link to the language article (and the film article will also be put automatically in the category concerned). In other cases, give the wikitext for the desired linked text."

So will remove the other languages in accordance with this guideline.

Tsange ►talk 16:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think a policy where only the "bloody obvious" language in a film can be identified is inherently idiotic, since that is never, ever the one you actually care to know about.
In a German movie, the characters are speaking in German! How helpful.
If a bunch of tribesmen are speaking mystery language X, then I don't come to an encyclopedia to be told that the anthropologists are discussing the tribesmen in English.
Anyway, in accordance with this discussion, I am deleting Mandarin, until someone establishes who is speaking in Mandarin.
I personally don't care if there is only one sentence spoken in Mandarin. It is still Mandarin.
Varlaam (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just the primary languages are appropriate for the infobox. If some tribesmen are speaking X in one scene, that could be mentioned in the relevant section of the plot summary. If there are 20 different languages spoken briefly in a film, listing them isn't going to help identify which is used when. Barsoomian (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I know this is old, but to clarify, Jīn Shānzhǎo, the man from the North, speaks entirely in Mandarin. This is significant because it indicates he's from the North. 98.183.228.118 (talk) 03:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ip and Yip[edit]

Does the article make clear at some point where "Ip" is coming from?
In the infobox, both Cantonese and Mandarin are showing an initial consonant. Varlaam (talk) 16:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what is the film's original title in HK?
Is HK using Traditional or Simplified these days?
Varlaam (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The official site is using Traditional which is appropriate for the time period. Varlaam (talk)
Also appropriate for modern Hong Kong, which uses traditional characters most of the time. Barsoomian (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 02:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC) My first film (GA) review will come soon. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 02:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prior review[edit]

I first wanted to address the fact that it seems every concern outlined in the previous review has been allayed, most notably the extensive reference restructuring. Now, onto the present state of the article...

Lead and infobox[edit]

Both are informative, and summarize the article suitably.

Plot and Cast[edit]

As I said earlier, this is my first cinematic GA review. Thus, I have learned that plots don't need references. However, it seems on every GA-level film article, there are references within the casting section. You will need to adduce this section as such. One all-encompassing reference might work, or you could reference each individual cast member.

Production[edit]

I will need references for each crew member mentioned in the first two paragraphs, just as in the casting section.
"However, the studio producing the film closed, and the project was abandoned." What studio was this?
"Apart from historical references, Mak also created a glass house in the factory." What does this mean exactly? I would assume that this glass factory was used in the creation of props? Or otherwise?
You mention Hung's praise in the last paragraph. Could you adduce it?

Film title controversy[edit]

Interesting trivia.

Release[edit]

I have altered the ebb and flow of the Box Office subsection.

Accolades and Sequels[edit]

Both pass.

Conclusion[edit]

I am exulted I will be able to pass my first cinematic GA review, once these few issues are mitigated. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Question Hi, Qatar Stars League I have a few questions regarding your review. In the "Film title controversy" section what you mean by "Interesting trivia" are you just stating that it is Interesting trivia or do you want the section renamed to Interesting trivia? Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again I think covered everything in your review please let me know if anything else needs to be done. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, you have. Excellent work! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 17:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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