Talk:Inspirations for James Bond

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Isn't the James Bond character inspired from the German Nazi Spy Ciccero a.k.a. Elyesa Bazna??? yy

The main James Bond page says that most researchers agree that James Bond was based on Ian Fleming himself. In addition, the assertion on this page that the name "James Bond" came from a church in Toronto, stated in the "Character Inspirations" section is countered in the first paragraph, where the more widely accepted belief that the name is based on the author of a book on birds is given.

Yes, and since the Ian Fleming article itself debunks the story of Fleming training in Canada, I'm going to change the reference accordingly. Binabik80 19:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

17:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Andrewproctor

Okay folks. Here it is. James Bond is based on James "Jack" Turner Stephens, Jr. There is no more argument over this. Jack did say that he never went to northern Norway. That was his way to credit the commandos that assaulted the heavy water facility in northern Norway. Those commandos also attributed to the creation of Bond. Ian of course was also an inspiration to the character, but the main source is Jack. It is simply undeniable. I can't help that no one wishes to research it and just sits back and says hey there is no source. You can see a video I made at voderst.com I have learned a great deal since making that video. The 007 comes from part of his mission to secure a phone call between Roosevelt and Stalin. 007 is the dialing code for calling Russia. I have seen someone say 7 is the number, however you still have to dial to out to reach international. Then if the 00 is designating the top secret side, the 7 is still for dialing Russia.

His mission was to go to Tokyo and spy with the Sorge spy ring. They were spying on the axis atomic technology, but also he conducted the phone call where Stalin promised freedom of religion in exchange for the lend lease which included bombers. Japan caught Jack along with the Sorge spy ring. Jack was an American officer being tortured by the Japanese, revealing the extent of the Sorge spy ring. He was revealing that Roosevelt was supplying weaponry to Stalin to use against Japan. Japan caught an American officer on their soil plotting to deliver weapons to be used against them. Concurrently at this time Japan also decided to attack the United States.

I can't post this on the other page as I am told I don't have credible sources.

Jack later worked for Kennedy, but this reference has to do with From Russia with Love. The Bond girl in that novel is based on Agent Sonya. Of course James is based on Jack. Jack was wire tapping all of the consulate offices in lower Manhattan and he used the Turkish consulate to make secure calls to Moscow. These are strong parallels to the portion of the novel where Bond went to Turkey and eavesdropped under ground on a foreign consulate. This book is about two spies, one Soviet, one American, that were spying on foreign research on atomic weapons. They were mixed together to create a story. Kennedy knew he had James Bond working for him.

These are facts that can not be placed on the other section of Wikipedia. The CIA file that discloses this information on Sorge and Bond has still not been declassified. Many of the other bond novels are also about Jack, for example much of Casino Royale is, except for the casino which Ian admits is about himself.

The CIA file can not be released, not because it shows we had evidence of knowledge of Pearl Harbor but instead it is evidence that we caused Pearl Harbor. Without the CIA file, there won't be confirmation except for the facts that are slapping you in the face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckxxx (talk • contribs) 23:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Old Fettesian Bond[edit]

Does anyone have any more information on the real-life James Bond whose Who's Who entry allegedly hangs on a wall in a corridor at Fettes? The only person in Who Was Who called James Bond is Colonel James Henry Robinson Bond, and he doesn't seem to fit the description of an SBS frogman given in the article. Opera hat 18:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It´s Dusko Popov anyway, dear Britons deal with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_KDUQjo9rU&feature=PlayList&p=C62028CE777787C8&index=0&playnext=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.132.242.152 (talk) 03:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 03:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

007 Inspirations[edit]

The article states that "The international dialing code for the Soviet Union is 007". This is not true; the international dialling code for Russia is "7" - the "00" is the prefix used by most countries to tell the exchange that you are making an international call. At the time that Bond was being created, the prefix in Britain was "010". It didn't become "00" until 16 April 1995. Therefore, I move that this item be removed.--wintermute 14:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-05-08/world/britain.agent_1_intelligence-papers-double-agent-german-intelligence?_s=PM:WORLD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.168.237.38 (talk) 19:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ivor Bryce[edit]

One name that never seems to be cited on Wikipedia's assorted James Bond/Flemming pages is the name of Ivar Bryce (John F. C. Bryce) who has been cited by more then one source as being yet another Bond inspiration.

Ivar went to Eton with Flemming, they were colleagues in intelligence roles, and Flemming stayed at (and penned portions of at least one book at) Ivor's estate [or rather wife Josephine's] on the Vermont-New York boarder north of Saratoga Springs, known as Black Hollow Farm. Heiress to the A&P fortune (maiden name Hartford) Josephine lived a jet setting life with yachts, race horses, airplanes, et al.

It was at Moyns Park (once owned by Bryce, located in Essex eastern England) that Fleming stayed the summer of 1956 and made final changes to 'From Russia, With Love'. A Telegraph article from 1997 goes so far as to suggest Ivar help co-create the name "James Bond".

Anyhow its curious there wasn't another citation of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellsboro Jack (talk • contribs) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agent 117[edit]

The fictional character Hubert Bonisseur de La Bath, Secret Agent 117, pre-dates the James Bond character by four years. Perhaps Double-Oh-Seven was inspired by Double-One-Seven? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.215.6 (talk) 01:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Inspirations for James Bond/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 12:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
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Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 16:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"which came both from English spy and polymath John Dee and the breaking of a World War I German diplomatic code, and Bond's character and tastes, which came from, as Fleming himself put it "all the secret agents and commando types I met during the war", as well as Fleming himself." - shorten this sentence; maybe something like, "which came both from English spy and polymath John Dee, the breaking of a World War I German diplomatic code, Bond's character and tastes, as well as Fleming himself." I removed the clause I found redundant.
Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 16:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any copyright issues? What was James Bond's response?
Not entirely sure I follow you here - could you clarify? As to Bond's response, it's referred to in the text ("a charming couple who are amused by the whole joke".[7])
Forget this, I assume my brain did not work very well during this time...--♫GoP♫_T ^C _N 10:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the cigarette brand? With Morland, do you mean Morland, Cumbria?
Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 16:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"sixty cigarettes a day", "80 cigarettes a day" - use consistent style
Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 16:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will review the table later

"blowing up an Italian ship single-handedly himself" I am not sure why we need "himself" at the end.
Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 10:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Very good! Another great work! :)--♫GoP♫_T ^C _N 11:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's great news - many thanks indeed! - SchroCat (^ • @) 11:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

British Security Co-ordination[edit]

According to Sir William Stephenson's memoirs, and according to the Wikipedia article on BSC, the organisation had its offices in Rockefeller Centre, New York, not in Washington. NetNus (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - I've just checked and you're quite right. Text now altered accordingly; many thanks! - SchroCat (^ • @) 10:29, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Sorge[edit]

The following quote is attributed to Ian Fleming: "Sorge was the man whom I regard as the most formidable spy in history." The quote can be found on the wikipedia page of Richard Sorge and on many other pages. However, I cannot find when and where Ian Fleming said it and what is the source of this quote. I have added Richard Sorge to the list and marked it as citation needed. I have the following reasons: 1) Richard Sorge should have been well known to Ian Fleming given his history. 2) Fleming based his fictional creation on a number of individuals he came across during his time in Intelligence.

Therefore, it is highly unlikely that this guy, if the quote is true would have been omitted. This is furthermore obvious if one takes the time to read Tokyo Espionage Ring and others. The likeness is uncanny. The case for the inclusion in this list is in my opinion as high as any of the other guys there, save Ian Fleming himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorum (talk • contribs) 20:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few things, firstly, please add comments at the bottom of talk pages not the top, and please remember to sign your posts using the four tildes (~~~~). In terms of the Sorge informaiton, please find a reliable source before you add the information again. If you can't find a reliable source, then it's not right to include it. Without that it's just your own opinion, rather than something encyclopaedic. Thanks - SchroCat (talk) 20:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I understand. I reverted the edit because I thought you deleted it just like my edit on the previous page. Nevertheless, I have added the citation needed to the page. Why was it deleted nevertheless? 21:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorum (talk • contribs)

3 min Travel Channel re. Sidney Reilly inspiring IF re JB[edit]

http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/mysteries-at-the-museum/video/the-real-james-bond

Just saw this and thought an editor of this page might want to incorporate it into the article somewhere.

Phantom in ca (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Porfirio_Rubirosa[edit]

The Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porfirio_Rubirosa indicates that he too was among the inspirations for the legend of James Bond. A new "Rubirosa" podcast is exploring this angle. Probably worth including for completeness, and running links back and forth between pages?

68.160.133.137 (talk) Bill in Boston 68.160.133.137 (talk) 14:16, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]