Talk:I.S.S. (film)

Mentioning The Black List?

Okay then, tell me how a movie being on a list of screenplays not released in 2020 is in anyway relevant or notable, and not the stupidest piece of trivia ever? Hey, the movie also didn't come out in 1962, we should include that fact too, right?! If you think that information is relevant, then you need to create a consensus to have this piece of information included on every page of every movie that was ever on this list instead of starting an edit war. I'm guessing you're involved in the company in some way to insist on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 00:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The Black List is a significant list of unproduced scripts that has been covered by many mainstream sources to the point where it is notable just to be on the list. This is not just a mention that the script existed in 2020, but that it received enough buzz to be included on a very specific industry list. This content is usually included in reports of the film and not just as a one-off mention. It would be appropriate to include here as it indicates why this particular film is notable. BOVINEBOY2008 00:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Then why don't you go include it on every single film pages? Why edit war over these two pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 00:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Your edit was reverted because you did not explain why you removed sourced content. You need to seek consensus now about this article. BOVINEBOY2008 00:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You didn't even attempt to answer the question. Can't get consensus if you're not going to address the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 00:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You haven't asked a question about this article that I haven't answered. Being included on this list is part of what makes this film notable and hence it is included. Whether other articles include the information or not is not what we are discussing. And the info had been included by many other editors on this article making it a standing consensus. You have made the bold edit without good reason. BOVINEBOY2008 00:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, "this article." Getting all semantic here. Okay, let me rephrase for your pedantry then. Why is this piece of information notable to "this" specific article but not to any other of the other hundreds of films that were also on this list. And this info was not included by "many other editors." There was literally ONE editor who included it. ONE. And he's retired. And the fact that you have to lie to try to make your point confirms that you're wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 00:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Being the Black List is included on the article for American Hustle, Spotlight, and Hell or High Water, and I'm sure others that I'm not interested in finding. The info was added by Bruno Rene Vargas, but several other editors have made edits to the article and have not removed it. You are the only one. You have not proposed a reason that it shouldn't be included other than you feel it is trivia. BOVINEBOY2008 00:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so three out of like what, 500? The consensus so far is very clear that this information is not notable enough to be included. If you feel otherwise, then you need to get consensus. And I'd love to see how well your argument of "an edit was made that didn't remove vandalism, therefore it's the consensus and it stays," would really hold up if anyone actually cared about this. You have not proposed a reason that it should be included other than you feel it's not trivia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 00:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's go ahead and get some more opinions then, I'll leave a message at WP:FILM. BOVINEBOY2008 01:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Summoned from the WP:FILM notice. Given that The Black List (survey) is evidently notable enough to have had its own article since 2010 and the article has never, as near as I can tell, been considered for deletion, it seems reasonable enough to include mention of it in the appropriate articles. DonIago (talk) 13:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

And the Teen Choice Award for Choice Movie – Comedy is evidently notable enough to have its own article. But we don't go including it on every single movie page that was nominated. That's not the standard used for notability. I, quite frankly, don't care enough to debate over the merits or legitimacy of the Black List, that's a separate topic. What I ask instead is that you just look at the article of this page and tell me that statement isn't out of place and that it's perfectly fine to be included in the article the way it is. TheSnowyMountains (talk) 14:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if films nominated for that award do mention the nomination in their list of accolades. As for this specific instance...given the brevity of the article, I'm not seeing the issue at this time. I would assume as more information for the film is published here that information may be relocated. DonIago (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

To me, the fact that this article is so brief is why this insignificant detail sticks out so much. And it looks like someone has already come in and re-worded it to read less abhorrently. So I'm tapping out, annoyed that something so stupid even got to this point, just because BovineBoy wanted to go on a power trip. TheSnowyMountains (talk) 17:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Please don't cast aspersions. Thank you. DonIago (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You're right, I should have just ignored trying to have a discussion with him and just reported him for his blatant rule breaking. I'll make sure to resort to that first in the future. Thank you. TheSnowyMountains (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

It's an option, though you'd probably be better off following the processes outlined in WP:DR. DonIago (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Not if this interaction was any indication. TheSnowyMountains (talk) 17:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry you didn't have a better experience. DonIago (talk) 17:41, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

After two months and the OP only managing to find one person to even discuss the issue, the lack of Blacklist's notability has been established. Even the OP immediately dropped his involvement. I'm going to go ahead and revert the disruptive editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 01:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

You have yet to find an editor to agree with you. BOVINEBOY2008 00:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

False. An editor came in and completely removed the original statement, apparently agreeing that the information as written was not appropriate. Oddly enough, you completely ignored his editing and are now trying to complain that he doesn't exist. By my count, it's 2v2, but that's not the point. The point is that after all this time you managed to find one person even willing to discuss the issue. The lack of notability has been confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 03:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing would be removing the mention without a consensus in favor of doing so. I already noted that you have other options for dispute resolution. If your concern is that you don't feel enough editors have participated in this discussion, there are options for requesting additional opinions. DonIago (talk) 01:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Please obtain consensus before constantly reverting to your preferred version. Additionally, please attempt your own suggestions for dispute resolution before resorting to reporting those you disagree with. I was very generous with the time I gave you guys to provide evidence of notability. You were unable to do so. If you still disagree, you need to provide evidence or a consensus to the contrary instead of engaging in an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 16:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

• Adding my two silvers in, I haven't seen anything from TSM in defense of his deletion beyond WP:IDONTLIKEIT. If there's any question about consensus where a lone wolf editor's on the other side of it, consider me as supporting DonIago and Bovineboy here. Ravenswing 23:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

If you really don't see my viewpoint, then I'm genuinely asking for a real response here. Please tell me how being on a list of movies not released in 2020 is notable. I asked this earlier and the question was ignored. Please tell me how in the world this is slightly notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 23:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

TO answer your question- The_Black_List is an honor given to as yet unproduced screenplays- it is created by an industry insider and shows that such screenplays are getting attention even if they are not getting produced. In and of itself- not enough to establish notability IMO deserving a WP page- but if there are other factors as well that make a screenplay notable- mentioning that they also made this list is worth also mentioning. That being said- I lean towards this whole screenplay not yet being notable enough for a page based on reviewing the other sources- but... thats just a quick glance- I have not done any further research to see if other sources exist that make it notable- and I had never even heard of this screenplay until today, so I don't feel qualified to weigh in on the AFD discussion at this time. But- the blacklist is certainly notable in and of itself- and therefor inclusion on that list worth mentioning. Nightenbelle (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I feel like that's probably the best answer I'm going to get out of you, but I don't feel that my question was in anyway addressed. I feel like you probably could have just said, "It's notable because it's notable." But thanks for the effort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 01:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I tried engaging on the dispute resolution page but the dispute is apparently closed. Repeating my statement here: "There was a statement on the page that, as well as repeated on other pages, reads atrociously in my opinion. Attempting to remove this statement led to a dispute over it's inclusion and ultimately a dispute of the larger matter of the notability of The Black List. I've asked why mentioning that the screenplay for the movie being included on a list of movies not released in 2020 is notable and received no adequate response. Usually something along the lines of "It's notable, because it's notable." The explanation of "it should be mentioned because it has it's own page" is not adequate for me, as there are plenty of awards that have their own pages which are not included on the movies that have won and been nominated for those awards. Had the page been expansive, the statement, had it been written better, would not have stuck out, but to have such an insignificant detail be in the header on a page that is so bare bones reads entirely wrong in my opinion, regardless of the quality of the writing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 21:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Duly noted. It still seems like there is a clear consensus against you at this point. Have a nice day! Dumuzid (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Then please restore the page to how it was before I got involved. I did so but was immediately reported for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 21:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, shouldn't Nightenbelle get a consensus before changing the content and placement of the statement. Like, isn't that her main thing? I'd restore the page to the consensus, but Nightenbelle would report me for doing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSnowyMountains (talk • contribs) 21:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't care where it goes. Put it wherever you three prefer. I didn't want to revert Robert's Edit- And whether you believe it or not- yours was truly not showing up for me when I edited- so I copied it and pasted it where I thought it went. So if it belongs elsewhere- put it there. You have made up this conspiracy against you by me in your head. Nightenbelle (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

• Just for the record (and for those of you who don't haunt ANI, TheSnowyMountains has been indef blocked. Ravenswing 08:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps the saddest aspect of all of this is that given that the article's now up at AfD, this entire discussion may become a moot point. DonIago (talk) 18:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

How is this a science fiction film if it's just murder mystery on the ISS and government conflict?

h TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

AllMovie calls it a sci-fi thriller[1]. Do you have a source that calls it something else? DonIago (talk) 13:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't. But I don't how this could be seen as sci-fi if it's only set in space, and it's just about conflict on the ISS. TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

The very fact that it's set in space could justify calling it a sci-fi film. In any event, we go by what reliable sources (and AllMovie is a reliable source for film genre classifications) say. If AFI or BFI or another source classifies the film in a different manner (I haven't looked but would be curious to see what they say), we could perhaps use them instead. DonIago (talk) 14:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think maybe AllMovie should just make a genre for space films, and call them space films, instead of science fiction thrillers. TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 14:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

That's a discussion to have with them, not us. :) DonIago (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

👍 TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)