Talk:I'm Thinking of Ending Things (novel)

Film

FYI, I've redirected I'm Thinking of Ending Things (film) to List of original films distributed by Netflix for now, but I suppose the film page could also redirect to here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I've just realised what I did. I replaced the redirect you created here for the film with the novel. Sorry, I should have called the novel article "I'm Thinking of Ending Things (novel)". Anyway, thanks for re-creating the redirect for the film. Do you think I should move "I'm Thinking of Ending Things" to "I'm Thinking of Ending Things (novel)" and create a dab page "I'm Thinking of Ending Things", or just leave it as it is? —Bruce1ee^talk 13:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Bruce1ee, I'd leave as is for now. Most likely we'll just end up keeping this article title the same and having an article for the film as well. No disambiguation needed for now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. —Bruce1ee^talk 13:53, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Bruce1ee, Thank you for creating this article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:13, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiProjects

@Another Believer: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as WikiProject Books is a parent of WikiProject Novels, shouldn't the parent be omitted from this page? —Bruce1ee^talk 17:44, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Bruce1ee, Sure! I've removed. I don't follow book articles to know which projects prefer to have their articles tagged or not, so I went with both so either project could adjust as they saw fit. No prob, and thanks for asking! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I see your rationale now for including both projects. —Bruce1ee^talk 20:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Spike in number of pageviews

There was a sharp spike in the number of pageviews of this article yesterday. From an average of roughly 200 hits a day to over 18,000! I think it may have been this that triggered the sudden interest. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:35, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 25 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: The majority of commenters regard the film as the primary topic, and so I'm Thinking of Ending Things is moved to I'm Thinking of Ending Things (novel) and I'm Thinking of Ending Things (film) is moved to I'm Thinking of Ending Things. The latter move is done WP:BOLDly since there was no RM proposal at that article. I have attempted to fix incoming links. (closed by non-admin page mover) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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I'm Thinking of Ending Things → I'm Thinking of Ending Things (novel) – No longer appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC following the release of the 2020 film of the same name in September. A disambiguation page should be created at I'm Thinking of Ending Things for the two articles. --IWI (talk) 19:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support – I suggested this in March last year in the thread above. —Bruce1ee^talk 20:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – A disambiguation page isn't necessary since there are only two articles to disambiguate. The hatnote in this article is enough. El Millo (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: That doesn't address why the book should be considered the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; if anything the film should be at this page. Even if we don't use a DAB page, the book should not be considered the primary topic. Far more people have seen the Netflix film than read the book. --IWI (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Probably, but that's a different matter. If there is no clear primary topic between the two, then things should stay as they are. El Millo (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: I would say there is a clear primary topic (the film). Would you be opposed to the film being moved here with this article being moved to "...(novel)". --IWI (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean, the film was actually one of the top 25 articles at one point. Also note that per WP:NOPRIMARY, if there was no primary topic, there should be a disambiguation page (even for two articles). --IWI (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd be okay with it. Checking both pages' pageviews ([1]), it seems the film article has had more views basically since its creation, with a daily average that almost doubles the novel's (6245 to 3283 from the sample I chose). El Millo (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support but only if the film is moved to the primary topic title per the above discussion. There's no need to have a dab page for only two titles, especially when they are closely related, as these are, since that does not benefit readers. (Please note that are 3 incoming wikilinks that will need to be redirected to the new title before or during the move process.) Station1 (talk) 20:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose this WP:RECENTISM-based move. Dicklyon (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: I'm not so sure if this book will ever be the primary topic. The film is on a worldwide platform and was made by a well known writer Charlie Kaufman with well known actors such as Jesse Plemons and David Thewlis. Just because the film is new, does not automatically mean it is a recentism. I also made a point of waiting over a month just in case, but it is still by far the most viewed article, and almost certainly always will be. --IWI (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - The film was merely a film, nothing notable to make it a primary topic. Sending readers to the book first lets them see what the film was based on, and if they want to see more about the film, they can go to the film's page. The move is unnecessary. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 13:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina: Don't you mean "The move is unnecessary"? —Bruce1ee^talk 14:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bruce1ee: Fixed my mistake. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 14:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina: A film that receives more press coverage and has significantly more pageviews is, in my view, the primary topic. The latter is particularly important, as the likelihood is many people are landing on the wrong page. --IWI (talk) 18:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@IWI, that still doesn't give a reason for the creation of a disambiguation page. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina: I agree. Above we discussed moving this to "..(novel)" and moving the film here. --IWI (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@IWI, that makes sense. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support move but not the creation of the disambiguation page per above. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)