Talk:Hyderabad/Archive 5

City's growth during Nizam period

AP Govt website says about this period.. " This township grew rapidly as the modern town with Railway station and other commercial establishments. .. The modern era of the development of the twin cities began soon after the last flood of the river Musi in A.D.1908 which had shattered the life of the people living in Hyderabad. .. If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways. "

I believe city's transformation into modern city during Nizam period is important enough to be mentioned. But it was removed even though I provided reliable sources. Please let me know why it should not be mentioned. Ramcrk (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose over extra burden on the article and this edit of yours is a clear bias, First you argued and insisted to prove Nizam's were bankrupted and now you want to prove Nizam's developed the modern infrastructure in the city. What I understand from this is, probably you want to highlight and impose that HYD city was developed during Nizam but not after the merger with Andhra. Please stop this bias and let the article be in neutral status.
• And what Nizam did after the Musi flood of 1908, is what they were suppose to do, after any disaster the ruler are supposed to reconstruct the damages. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad developed into modern city during Nizam times is not my view. Its historical fact. See AP govt web site(lik provided above). I never said Hyderabad stopped development after merger with Andhra. All I am saying is Hyderabad become one of best cities in India before independence trasformation happened during the period of Nizam VII. Nizam VII is architect of modern Hyderabad. Its not my view but the view of historians(See AP Govt web site link above).We don't need to hide that fact. I think your bias is making you to hide the facts. Ramcrk (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

My 2 cents: Isn't Modern Hyderabad about - a) Airport b) IT Industry c) Cosmopolitan Culture d) Various Central Government institutes? How can Nizam VII be called an architect of this? I think it is better to stick to facts - If Nizam VII has done X, Y, Z - we can only mention those and stop at that. Vamsisv (talk) 05:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Any modern city will have transportation facilities(air, rail, road), electricity, water supply, sanitation, university, hospitals etc. All these facilities were introduced in Hyderabad city during late 19th century and early 20th century during Nizam times; i.e Transporation facilities(air-1935, rail-1870, road-1932), electricity-1925, water supply-1925, sanitation-1925, university-1917, hospitals-1910 etc. AP Govt website says If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways.. But I am not insisting on using the term architect but we should at least mention that city transformed into modern city during this period. This historical fact should be mentioned in the article in some way in one sentence. Ramcrk (talk) 07:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well it seams your argument is baseless, because you are asking to add Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, this is already available in section Hyderabad, India#Culture; Later, from 17th century Asif Jahi architecture emerged. Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, is called as the maker of modern Hyderabad. The buildings constructed during his reign are impressive and represent a rich variety of architecture. Structures such as the Osmania University, Osmania General Hospital and High Court are designed and constructed in the styles of medieval and the Mughal architecture. The Nizams applied the European styles in some of the constructions such as Falaknuma and King Kothi Palaces. some more samples......

• Hyderabad, India#Culture; Hyderabadi cuisine is prominent since the Nizams.
• Hyderabad, India#Culture; A fine art metal handicraft of the region known as Bidri ware was popularised in Hyderabad in the 18th century.
• Hyderabad, India#Media; Among the early newspapers in Hyderabad was The Deccan Times established in the 1780s
• Hyderabad, India#Media; Deccan Radio was the first general broadcasting radio station of Hyderabad to go on air on 3 February 1935.
• Hyderabad, India#Education; The Osmania University established in 1918 is the earliest university in Hyderabad.
• Hyderabad,_India#Sports; The city houses many elite clubs formed by the Nizams and British.
• Hyderabad,_India#Administration; In Hyderabad, electricity, water and sewerage services were first commissioned in 1925.

It is of no use to argue for some thing which is already available, The article represents its history and present accurately, As I said earlier more detail historical events (rail, road, airways, bridges etc) were all removed during peer review, copy editing, FAC review, with consensus, as the article was over burden, and it was among the hurdle for article to get FA status, please see the earlier Archived discussions, As we had linked the templates Main article and See also any editor shall merrily include contents over there, in-fact those articles need to be expanded. All the historical events in this article are well sourced and suitable to there related sections. Even Nizam's and others are represented equally where ever required, honestly there is a particular section in the name of Nizam Period and are linked as See also:Nizam of Hyderabad. But it is of no worth to expand the history section and again include the same contents which are already available in there related sections. Now you want to include the list of developments during Nizam's again another editor will raise and say he/she want to include the list of infrastructure which were developed after the Nizam's and later few another will raise and say they want to include the list of development during Qutb Shahi period. It is not the correct way to represent a city encyclopedia, please let the article rest in its neutral position. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

No. You got me wrong. I am proposing to include following text in Nizam period section. Hyderabad became modern city with modern facilities during this period with the establishment of railways, transport services, under ground drainage, running water, electricity, airport, universities and modern industries in late 19th century early 20th century. Feel free to modify it. Ramcrk (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

These just two lines will become a paragraph like this, which we removed due to over burden, even though they were supported with more reliable sources. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Paragraph you referred have more stuff related to Nizam personal stuff like how rich he is etc. What I am proposing is transformation of city. I hope you see the difference. For eg: Los Angeles and New York articles included some economic history. I want to cover the transformation of city briefly at each period. "Briefly" is the key word. Hope it makes sense. Ramcrk (talk) 22:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not follow the whole discussion. And I do not remember now the process of removing detailed content from this section (of course I remember we removed loads of stuff). However, reading the sections "Nizam period" and "Post-independence", it seems it might be ok to add a sentence like Ramcrk has proposed. The Nizam period describes loads of war etc until 1798, and then suddenly jumps to 1948. I think, Omer (and others), it would be ok to add such a sentence, but do not over wikilink it, as suggested in the sentence here.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I did some changes in the paragraph, taking out some details of the remote past, and adding a version of the suggested changes.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay well, my worries here are the article should not become bali ka bakra again in the regional issues and overloaded with regional favorings sentences. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not know the " regionalism" angle here. Now I read a few posts above, and understood (although did not really sense it due to my lack of first hand experience). In any case, I appreciate Omer's continuous effort to keep the article bias-free. I think, at the present form, this section on Nizam period sounds quite neutral. --Dwaipayan (talk) 13:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit

Hit this, per request. My only comment is that the practice of putting multiple sources into a single ref is unusual and produces an inconsistent look. I did not change it, but I recommend separating them.

Cheers. Lfstevens (talk) 15:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you really did a great c/e work, thanks a lot. Regarding source bundling, it was done to avoid burden, Please let us know if it is must to keep away source bundling. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Another reviewer earlier actually suggested the opposite. I can not remember exactly who it was, but s/he suggested bundling of sources if possible and when needed. Bundling is not contraindicated, if I remember MoS corectly. Personally I do not like bundling.

De-bundling may require significant amount of work.mI suggest keeping bundling as it is now. Any advice? May be editors who frequent FACs and who are very knowledgable in MoS can be asked.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Would the Sfn style do for the references? Articles like India follow it, and look quite dandy. Secret of success (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Shall we nominate w/o any change in S/bundling as it was not objected by any of the peer reviewer and others while FAC review. In fact peer reviewer asked to bundle all the remaining also. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

We do not need to unbundle. There is no specific rule that I have so far noticed for bundling or unbundling. Using sfn will need huge effort. If someone is willing to do that, very much welcome. But there is no necessity.

As far as FAC is concerned, are you guys sure that there is no more silly mistakes in the text?( I have not read the text lately). If you are pretty much sure (no body can be 100% sure) about that, then it might be ok to start the FAC.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I will go through the sources and images onece again, SOS have expressed some concenrs here we shall look into it. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Crossroads?

How accurate is this sentence in the introduction section: "Situated at the crossroads of North and South India, Hyderabad is noted for its unique culture"? Unique culture is correct but is Hyderabad really at the crossroads? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshigaki (talk • contribs) 07:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Well it is more of a literary expression than true geographic location. I found the usage in books, such as here. IMO, this is ok in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It's still hard to see Hyderabad at the crossroads, whether it is culturally or geographically. Hyderabad is very much in the south. It does have a unique culture due to the demographics but I'm not sure there is room to take literary liberty to call it as being at the "crossroads". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshigaki (talk • contribs) 07:23, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Montage needed

This montage-File:Hyderabad_montage_new1.jpg was replaced by Charminar img by this edit citing copyright reasons of few of the imgs used in the montage. I request users to create a new montage to be used in the main article page. Cheers. WorLD8115 (TalK) 16:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, we shall very soon update a better montage very soon. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:46, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

City's growth during Nizam period

AP Govt website says about this period.. " This township grew rapidly as the modern town with Railway station and other commercial establishments. .. The modern era of the development of the twin cities began soon after the last flood of the river Musi in A.D.1908 which had shattered the life of the people living in Hyderabad. .. If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways. "

I believe city's transformation into modern city during Nizam period is important enough to be mentioned. But it was removed even though I provided reliable sources. Please let me know why it should not be mentioned. Ramcrk (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose over extra burden on the article and this edit of yours is a clear bias, First you argued and insisted to prove Nizam's were bankrupted and now you want to prove Nizam's developed the modern infrastructure in the city. What I understand from this is, probably you want to highlight and impose that HYD city was developed during Nizam but not after the merger with Andhra. Please stop this bias and let the article be in neutral status.
• And what Nizam did after the Musi flood of 1908, is what they were suppose to do, after any disaster the ruler are supposed to reconstruct the damages. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad developed into modern city during Nizam times is not my view. Its historical fact. See AP govt web site(lik provided above). I never said Hyderabad stopped development after merger with Andhra. All I am saying is Hyderabad become one of best cities in India before independence trasformation happened during the period of Nizam VII. Nizam VII is architect of modern Hyderabad. Its not my view but the view of historians(See AP Govt web site link above).We don't need to hide that fact. I think your bias is making you to hide the facts. Ramcrk (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

My 2 cents: Isn't Modern Hyderabad about - a) Airport b) IT Industry c) Cosmopolitan Culture d) Various Central Government institutes? How can Nizam VII be called an architect of this? I think it is better to stick to facts - If Nizam VII has done X, Y, Z - we can only mention those and stop at that. Vamsisv (talk) 05:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Any modern city will have transportation facilities(air, rail, road), electricity, water supply, sanitation, university, hospitals etc. All these facilities were introduced in Hyderabad city during late 19th century and early 20th century during Nizam times; i.e Transporation facilities(air-1935, rail-1870, road-1932), electricity-1925, water supply-1925, sanitation-1925, university-1917, hospitals-1910 etc. AP Govt website says If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways.. But I am not insisting on using the term architect but we should at least mention that city transformed into modern city during this period. This historical fact should be mentioned in the article in some way in one sentence. Ramcrk (talk) 07:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well it seams your argument is baseless, because you are asking to add Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, this is already available in section Hyderabad, India#Culture; Later, from 17th century Asif Jahi architecture emerged. Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, is called as the maker of modern Hyderabad. The buildings constructed during his reign are impressive and represent a rich variety of architecture. Structures such as the Osmania University, Osmania General Hospital and High Court are designed and constructed in the styles of medieval and the Mughal architecture. The Nizams applied the European styles in some of the constructions such as Falaknuma and King Kothi Palaces. some more samples......

• Hyderabad, India#Culture; Hyderabadi cuisine is prominent since the Nizams.
• Hyderabad, India#Culture; A fine art metal handicraft of the region known as Bidri ware was popularised in Hyderabad in the 18th century.
• Hyderabad, India#Media; Among the early newspapers in Hyderabad was The Deccan Times established in the 1780s
• Hyderabad, India#Media; Deccan Radio was the first general broadcasting radio station of Hyderabad to go on air on 3 February 1935.
• Hyderabad, India#Education; The Osmania University established in 1918 is the earliest university in Hyderabad.
• Hyderabad,_India#Sports; The city houses many elite clubs formed by the Nizams and British.
• Hyderabad,_India#Administration; In Hyderabad, electricity, water and sewerage services were first commissioned in 1925.

It is of no use to argue for some thing which is already available, The article represents its history and present accurately, As I said earlier more detail historical events (rail, road, airways, bridges etc) were all removed during peer review, copy editing, FAC review, with consensus, as the article was over burden, and it was among the hurdle for article to get FA status, please see the earlier Archived discussions, As we had linked the templates Main article and See also any editor shall merrily include contents over there, in-fact those articles need to be expanded. All the historical events in this article are well sourced and suitable to there related sections. Even Nizam's and others are represented equally where ever required, honestly there is a particular section in the name of Nizam Period and are linked as See also:Nizam of Hyderabad. But it is of no worth to expand the history section and again include the same contents which are already available in there related sections. Now you want to include the list of developments during Nizam's again another editor will raise and say he/she want to include the list of infrastructure which were developed after the Nizam's and later few another will raise and say they want to include the list of development during Qutb Shahi period. It is not the correct way to represent a city encyclopedia, please let the article rest in its neutral position. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

No. You got me wrong. I am proposing to include following text in Nizam period section. Hyderabad became modern city with modern facilities during this period with the establishment of railways, transport services, under ground drainage, running water, electricity, airport, universities and modern industries in late 19th century early 20th century. Feel free to modify it. Ramcrk (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

These just two lines will become a paragraph like this, which we removed due to over burden, even though they were supported with more reliable sources. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Paragraph you referred have more stuff related to Nizam personal stuff like how rich he is etc. What I am proposing is transformation of city. I hope you see the difference. For eg: Los Angeles and New York articles included some economic history. I want to cover the transformation of city briefly at each period. "Briefly" is the key word. Hope it makes sense. Ramcrk (talk) 22:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not follow the whole discussion. And I do not remember now the process of removing detailed content from this section (of course I remember we removed loads of stuff). However, reading the sections "Nizam period" and "Post-independence", it seems it might be ok to add a sentence like Ramcrk has proposed. The Nizam period describes loads of war etc until 1798, and then suddenly jumps to 1948. I think, Omer (and others), it would be ok to add such a sentence, but do not over wikilink it, as suggested in the sentence here.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I did some changes in the paragraph, taking out some details of the remote past, and adding a version of the suggested changes.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay well, my worries here are the article should not become bali ka bakra again in the regional issues and overloaded with regional favorings sentences. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not know the " regionalism" angle here. Now I read a few posts above, and understood (although did not really sense it due to my lack of first hand experience). In any case, I appreciate Omer's continuous effort to keep the article bias-free. I think, at the present form, this section on Nizam period sounds quite neutral. --Dwaipayan (talk) 13:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit

Hit this, per request. My only comment is that the practice of putting multiple sources into a single ref is unusual and produces an inconsistent look. I did not change it, but I recommend separating them.

Cheers. Lfstevens (talk) 15:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you really did a great c/e work, thanks a lot. Regarding source bundling, it was done to avoid burden, Please let us know if it is must to keep away source bundling. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Another reviewer earlier actually suggested the opposite. I can not remember exactly who it was, but s/he suggested bundling of sources if possible and when needed. Bundling is not contraindicated, if I remember MoS corectly. Personally I do not like bundling.

De-bundling may require significant amount of work.mI suggest keeping bundling as it is now. Any advice? May be editors who frequent FACs and who are very knowledgable in MoS can be asked.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Would the Sfn style do for the references? Articles like India follow it, and look quite dandy. Secret of success (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Shall we nominate w/o any change in S/bundling as it was not objected by any of the peer reviewer and others while FAC review. In fact peer reviewer asked to bundle all the remaining also. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

We do not need to unbundle. There is no specific rule that I have so far noticed for bundling or unbundling. Using sfn will need huge effort. If someone is willing to do that, very much welcome. But there is no necessity.

As far as FAC is concerned, are you guys sure that there is no more silly mistakes in the text?( I have not read the text lately). If you are pretty much sure (no body can be 100% sure) about that, then it might be ok to start the FAC.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I will go through the sources and images onece again, SOS have expressed some concenrs here we shall look into it. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Crossroads?

How accurate is this sentence in the introduction section: "Situated at the crossroads of North and South India, Hyderabad is noted for its unique culture"? Unique culture is correct but is Hyderabad really at the crossroads? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshigaki (talk • contribs) 07:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Well it is more of a literary expression than true geographic location. I found the usage in books, such as here. IMO, this is ok in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It's still hard to see Hyderabad at the crossroads, whether it is culturally or geographically. Hyderabad is very much in the south. It does have a unique culture due to the demographics but I'm not sure there is room to take literary liberty to call it as being at the "crossroads". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshigaki (talk • contribs) 07:23, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Montage needed

This montage-File:Hyderabad_montage_new1.jpg was replaced by Charminar img by this edit citing copyright reasons of few of the imgs used in the montage. I request users to create a new montage to be used in the main article page. Cheers. WorLD8115 (TalK) 16:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, we shall very soon update a better montage very soon. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:46, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Copy edit, November 2012

• YNizam period: I removed Fateh Jung from the first sentence. He got that title earlier, and the sentence already carries enough detail. --Stfg (talk) 12:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
• YNizam period: "Asif" or Asaf"? The section mixes both forms. Which is it? --Stfg (talk) 12:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

"Asif" is correct and mostly written in books, "Asaf" is pronounced in local Hyderabadi slang, which some authors might have refer in books, for me I shall support "Asif" which is the actual word. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. There are seven Asaf Jah n redirects to seven articles. The only Asif Jah is a redirect to Nizam of Hyderabad. Should the seven articles be moved and seven Asif Jah n redirects be created, do you think? It seems better to use the real word rather than local slang in titles. --Stfg (talk) 16:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)  Done :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• YPost-independence: we need a better word than "agitations" at the bottom of this section. Were they peaceful protests, violent protests, organised insurrections, ...? (Never mind, the Telangana movement article explains it. --Stfg (talk) 11:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay :)

• YPost-independence: "As of 2011, Hyderabad was a major centre of strikes and agitation related to the Telangana movement.[25]" That is not what the source says. I've replaced it with a summary of what it does say. --Stfg (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

• YLocal government: Too many things under ref 42, and its middle bullet, "Our Services", merely links to the GHMC home page. Where do I check the meaning of "building regulation"? What specific "infrastructure work"? How does one "undertake" government-aided schools, hospitals, municipal markets, parks, solid waste management and demographic records? --Stfg (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done (specified the undertaking activities of GHMC) :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope, it's not done yet. I did have a look, the issues raised by stfg have not been completely addressed. I will do a bit of editing, and then will see what stfg has to say. Is that ok? --Dwaipayan (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes please. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I changed the sentence to this: "The GHMC carries out the city's infrastructural work such as building and maintenance of roads and drains; town planning including construction regulation; maintenance of municipal markets and parks; solid waste management; issue of birth and death certificates; issue of trade licences; collection of property tax; and community welfare services such as mother and child healthcare service, pre-school education, and non-formal education."

Also, disintegrated the composite references. Provided GHMC's Citizen's Charter as the reference for its works. The formation date and size of GHMC needs a better source. Stfg may have a look at this sentence either now, or later (when all the issues raised by him are addressed). Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is very much clearer, thanks. I've changed "issue of" to "the issuing of" for ease of reading (to avoid issue in the sense of a problem). --Stfg (talk) 12:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• YEthnic groups, language and religion: dialects: we need a better reference for Telangana -- FN82 mentions it, but doesn't say what it is. FN83 doesn't mention Deccani at all. --Stfg (talk) 11:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Replaced with new sources hope these new sources are correct. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Both excellent. The second one spells the Urdu dialect as Dakhani, whereas the article writes Deccani. Is this significant? --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:38, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• YEconomy: "According to a survey conducted in 2006 and again in 2009, Hyderabad has 50,000 street vendors and their numbers continue to grow.[110]" The report is dated 2007, so it cannot verify a survey rerun in 2009. I have changed to "... published in 2007 ...", corrected the figure and provided a page number. Also, plase note the request for a page number in the next sentence, as I need to check the exact meaning of "stationary shops". --Stfg (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Provided the specific page numbers of the source. Page 15 and 16 explains stationary versus mobile shops.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I think this is saying it's the vendors, rather than the "shops", that are stationary, and that only some have their own stalls. I've tried something. Is it OK? --Stfg (talk) 12:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• YTransport: Clarification requested for "non-availability" because it could mean either lack of these facilities, or that they exist but are made unaviliable by (for example) being blocked by street vendors' stalls. --Stfg (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Shall we mention, "(including the 40% of accidents that are caused either due to non availability of pedestrian facilities or pedestrians occupied by the street vendors )". Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's clear. I've put something in. --Stfg (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• YEducation: I de-linked "open university", as the link is to the British one. I think the term is clear enough not to need linking. --Stfg (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• YHealthcare: "Medical services are provided by government-run hospitals and clinics, corporate and charity organisations.[63]" Redundant? Doesn't the next sentence repeat this with more detail and more up-to-date sources? --Stfg (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, redundant. Removed the sentence.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

• YLocal government: Cyberabad Police is a redirect to Law enforcement in India, which makes no mention of Cyberabad. I don't think this is useful. --Stfg (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Removed --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:44, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• YLocal government: FN50 verifies the 24 Assembly constiuencies, but I can't see any mention there of the 5 Lok Sabha constituencies. --Stfg (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

applied this source  Done :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• YHealthcare: "As of 2012, 15 corporate chains had acquired space to develop speciality hospitals.[67]" -- changed to "As of 2012, many new hospitals of all sizes have opened or are being built.[67]" as this is closer to what the source says. --Stfg (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

• YDemographics: I've restructured the lead paragraph (now two paragraphs) of this section. Revert to the previous version if you like, but there were some reasons for it: first, to remove some duplication (650 kmsq twice, total population twice); second, to bring related facts together (e.g. numbers and ratios of the sexes); third, to start addressing the following citation problem. The 650 kmsq figure had been cited to this, which actually states 621 sqkm. That reference has disappeared in the proposed reorganisation (all the others are still there). But there's still a problem: this reference used in the Demographics lead actually says it grew from 170 to 635 kmsq, while FN25 (this) says it increased from 175 to 650 kmsq. Using the two sources in this way leads to contradiction within the article, and the lead paragraph of

• YDemographics currently mixes the lower figure from one with the upper figure from FN25. This problem still needs fixing. --Stfg (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Please dont mind, but I did not understand what exactly needed to be corrected in this section. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:32, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

One reference mentions that the size increased from 170 to 635; the other reference says from 175 to 650. The text says 170 to 650, or some mix like that. So, we need to make sure which one is more correct and use the figures from that reference. That's what stfg is probably meaning here.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks, Dwaipayanc. --Stfg (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to both for making me understand the point, So shall we replaced the FN[74] with FN[25], as both give the same details.

The citation FN[81] is taged as a [deadlink], actually that link is alive, what one need to do there is, select the city in from combobox for census results. Almost all the Indian cities are sourced with that citation. Please advice Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Using FN25 seems best, yes. Then it's 175-650. Following, FN81, try as I may I can't get a combobox to show a city name. What am I missing? --Stfg (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Replaced the link FN[25], Regarding FN[80]: click this link, check "State" and once the combo box list apears select "Andhra Pradesh" and then mean while check the "District" and when combobox list apears select "Hyderabad". The complete census statistics will apear. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

• YTransport: 1st paragraph: I edited this just for prose, but it needs rewriting. Most readers will get mental indigestion from so many random statistics picked "as of" so many different years: 2007, 2012, 2001, 2010. Not every statistic from avery source, regardless of date, is needed. Better to think first about what readers might want to learn from this paragraph, then write and source that. --Stfg (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sir shall we make it in this way??

Public modes of transport such as buses, auto rickshaws and light railways are the most commonly used in Hyderabad. The vehicle distribution in the city are 75% two-wheelers, 14% cars, 1% taxis, 4% goods vehicles, 2% buses (of which 3,800 RTC buses) and 4% other vehicles ( including 77,035 auto rickshaws). In some parts of the city cycle rickshaws are hired to travel smaller distances. The maximum speed limits within the city are 50 km/h (31 mph) for two-wheelers and cars, 35 km/h (22 mph) for auto rickshaws and 40 km/h (25 mph) for light commercial vehicles and buses. The vehicle percentage comprise in accidents are; two-wheelers and cars are involved in 50% of road accidents, public transport buses and trucks in 10% and auto-rickshaws in 15%. Altogether, 12% of the accidents are fatal and 88% result in injury (including the 40% of accidents that occur because pedestrian facilities are either lacking or blocked by street vendors).

Please let us know if this phrase is correct. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

(←) The problem, really, is the number of statistics, not all of which are very interesting, especially "other vehicles" and the accident percentages (the 40% from absent or blocked pedestrian facilities is really the only interesting one of those). Here's what I would do:

Public modes of transport such as buses, auto rickshaws and light railways are the most commonly used in Hyderabad.[114] Three quarters of the vehicles in 2007 were two-wheelers, 14% cars, 2% buses and 1% taxis.[46]:28 As of 2012, there are about 77,000 auto rickshaws and 3,800 RTC buses.[115] In some parts of the city cycle rickshaws are hired to travel smaller distances.[46]:32 In 2001 it was reported that 40% of accidents occur because pedestrian facilities are either lacking or blocked by street vendors.[46]:32[114] As of 2010, maximum speed limits within the city are 50 km/h (31 mph) for two-wheelers and cars, 35 km/h (22 mph) for auto rickshaws and 40 km/h (25 mph) for light commercial vehicles and buses.[116]

But we need to check where the 40% figure comes from and its date. FN46 (dating from 2007) is currently a dead link, and this information isn't in FN114. --Stfg (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• YTransport: "largest fleet of buses in terms of number of commuters" doesn't seem to quite make sense, and Google books isn't previewing that page today. Could we have a quote please? Also, that ISBN is for the Portuguese edition. Isn't there an English one with this record? --Stfg (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Was unable to cite the English edition of Guinness world record, could cite only Portuguese edition. Last paragraph of this source.

Currently it reads : "According to Guinness World Records 2005, APSRTC operates the world's largest fleet of buses in terms of number of commuters, estimated to carry 13 million passengers a day."

Shall we correct it to : According to Guinness World Records 2005, APSRTC operates the world's largest fleet of buses with 13 million passengers per day utilises its services.

Any way it had not much to tell about its services in Hyderabad city. It says about entire AP state, So I think it is okay to remove it if it makes any obstacle. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, a 2005 record is perhaps no longer very interesting, but the 13M figure gives an idea of scale. How about merging with the previous sentence, like this: "The bus service provided by the Andhra Pradesh State Road Transport Corporation (APSRTC) is the most frequently used means of public transport within the city,[120] estimated to carry 13 million passengers a day in 2005.[121]"

 Done, rephrased as per above advice. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• YMusic, performing arts and films: "In princely Hyderabad, the nobles had a tradition of courtesan dance and poetry" doesn't quite hang together. Is this the princely state? What was the tradition of the nobles, as opposed to the traditions of courtesans? Also, the first two sentences are uncited: FN143 is exclusively about modern "teen-maar". --Stfg (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• YArt and handicraft: I've removed "insightful" from the description of Golconda style and "fine art" from the description of Bidri ware. These are commentary, and to some degree value judgements, so they would need citations. --Stfg (talk) 15:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks its great. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• YArchitecture: "The Qutb Shahi architecture of the 15th century is manifest in ...". Hyderabad was built in 1591 and the Qutb Shahi dynasty lasted till 1687, i.e. a little bit of 16th but mostly 17th century. Qutb Shahi Tombs mentions dates from 1543 to 1672. Mecca Masjid was built "during the reign of Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah". Needs clarifying/correction. --Stfg (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Is it okay if we mention "The Qutb Shahi architecture that expanded from 16th to the early 17th centruy is manifest in colossal arches found in Golconda fort...." Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

That looks good. --Stfg (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• YEducation: Education in India doesn't mention the "10+2+3" plan, so either that article needs something added to it, or this article needs to explain the term. Also, what does "students typically enroll" mean -- that they all do, or most of them, or a lucky few ...? --Stfg (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I will take care of this one. Planning to improve the Education in India article o incorporate this. Will take a few days to do it.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Will check with Dwaipayan if he can fix this, or please guide me how I can fix this error. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:32, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I planned to expand the Education in India article to include the 10+2+3 pattern. I have not been able to do so yet. Actually I gathered some references, but then forgot to edit that article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, please take your time, Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I have added some information on the 10+2+3 pattern inEducation in India. IMO it is ok for a start. --Dwaipayan (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Very first I appreciate your point of viewing and c/e the article, secondly please continue your good work, Due to scarcity of internet connection in my current location I am not able to respond your quires, but from 11/11/2012 I will be actively participate and as per your advice will correct all errors. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• YRemoved template CN, replaced "Kathak" to "courtesan dance" and updated the sentence as

"Taramati in the early 16th century and Mah Laqa Bai in the 18th are two courtesans to popularise courtesan dance". Hope the tone meets the c/e standards. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The rephrase is fine, but a citation is still needed. The next citation from here is currently FN145, and it doesn't mention these ladies. --Stfg (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done , The citation FN146 mentions about these ladies, any way I had cited the source very next after there names also, this source.

So shall I remove "[clarification needed (see talk)]" template from the sentence: In princely Hyderabad, the nobles had a tradition of courtesan dance and poetry, as the current FN-145 mention both were dancer and poets for multiple royals, which was a tradition of those days. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Not yet. For the clarification needed, please see my questions under Music, performing arts and films above. According to the first of FN145, Taramati's dates are 1626-72, so she can't have done much before the middle of the 17th century. There is something worth using there, but nothing in the second FN145 (which you linked above), as that's only a tourist piece about the Taramati Baradari. Neither source says anything useful about Mah Laqa Bai: one only mentions her tomb and the other doesn't mention her at all. --Stfg (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Instead of giveng the century numbers shall we mention, Taramati during qutub shahi and Maha laqa bai during Nizams were the popular dancers. As both are wiki-linked, so users may get further details from the page itself. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

You can omit century numbers but it's better to correct them. However, that isn't the point. You still need to address the questions I asked here, and a decent citation is still needed. Your two sources in FN145 don't support the statement that Taramati and Maha laqa bai popularised courtesan dance. You can't expect readers to go chasing after links to track this down, not in a potential featured article; you need a citation in this very article. The Taramati link actually goes to Taramati Baradari, which is barely more than a stub about a building and a couple of "stories" about her. At present this is a failed verification. --Stfg (talk) 15:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• YShall we replace this sentence.

"The Secunderabad Cantonment Board established the first radio station in Hyderabad State around 1919. Deccan Radio was the first local general[clarification needed] radio station, going on air on 3 February 1935." as

The Secunderabad Cantonment Board established the first radio station in Hyderabad State around 1919. 'In Hyderabad Deccan Radio was the first local general radio station, going on air on 3 February 1935.

Please advice if this is right specification?. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The thing that needs clarifying is what is a "general" radio station. Saying where is a good idea too, but to avoid repetition it would be better to say "in the city" or "in the state", and to place it after "station". --Stfg (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry for not getting your point, now i understood. Here "general" means "for general public" as earlier Secunderabad cantonment station was operated specially for army purpose. Thus I thought to mention "general". Is it okay to mention like below.

"The Secunderabad Cantonment Board established the first radio station in Hyderabad State around 1919. Deccan Radio was the first local general public radio station in the city, going on air on 3 February 1935." Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, that's clear. I've tweaked the words a little. Is it OK? --Stfg (talk) 21:23, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes its perfect :),

• Y "4X4 off roads" is a regional motor race organized in India, and conducts state and National level competitions ref. Shall we apply this source or avoid using "4X4 off roads" as its not much important event?

• And Sorry, but w/o your both consensus, I had arranged the c/e review queries in the form of Done and pending so that I can correct the errors one by one and answer one by one. Thanks and regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind which course you take regarding the 4x4. As to the re-ordering, it didn't bother me, but Spanglej is right, really. Would it help if I went through the bullets and put a strike through those that don't need any further action? --Stfg (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay so I will use that source, Yes, its good that Spanglej reminded me at appropriate time, we all need to implement the nomrs, and thats good idea please strike those which no need any further action. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Instead of strikeouts, which might confuse some people, I've put a Y at the start of those that need no further action/comment, and a C at the front of those that do. Hope this helps. --Stfg (talk) 21:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, it will help a lot for un-experienced editors such as me. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• YShall we remove this sentence.

"APPCB and local authorities have designed and implemented multiple actions to control pollution.[further explanation needed", as we dont have much info about APPCB. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. --Stfg (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I hope we dont have any CN and Dead links now, Mr Dwaipayanc solve Education (10+2+3) part. sir Stfg, Its worth of to know your personal advice to make the article more accurate. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

It's looking very good, Sir Omer123hussain :) There are no dead links or CN tags now. There is still one {{full}} tag -- FN 73 needs a full citation, not just a URL and name. Also, I think it would be good to give instructions how to navigate to the data in FN80, like you gave me yesterday. It's very difficult to find otherwise. Then I think it's ready to try for FAC. --Stfg (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Please excuse me for the delay. It would take 2-3 days to fix the education in India article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:18, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I've now put instructions for FN80 in the article. --Stfg (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for delay in reply, Thanks and its great guidance from both, Its because of both of your guidance.

I' ve replaced the half citation with full in demographics, and removed template {{full}}. Shall we go through the article couple of times before nominating for FA, and how is the montage in info box and any other corrections or additions. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

If you wanted to get another editor to cast an eye over it, it would do no harm, but I don't think it's essential unless you want to. The article looks very good now, so I think a FAC attempt would be very reasonable. I think the infobox looks great :) --Stfg (talk) 16:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your apprication, your satisfaction is more essential and it is a token of FA for the article, I am ready to nominate it for FAC now, mean while lets waith if Dwaipayanc have to say something. Regards )--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Shall we replace Asif jahi's --> Nizams in the article, I know based on the name available in the sources we placed Nizmas or Asif Jahis, this usage will confuse the readers who are not aware of the term Nizams=Asif Jahi or Asif Jahi=Nizams (though this we had specified in lead and history section but for readers who visits the article first time and want to read particular section this term will confuse them as in one line its Nizams and and another line its Asif Jahi specially in culture, history economy etc..), So what ever is referred in the source ( Nizam's or Asif Jahi's) shall we use one single term Nizams in the article? Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I would keep mentioning them both, because it's good that readers can learn both their names and their titles. I don't find it confusing. --Stfg (talk) 16:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, we will move as per your advice. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I have added some info on 10+2+3 pattern of education in Education in India article. That probably is sufficient for the wikilink from this article. Omer can go ahead with the FAC I guess.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that looks good. I've chaged the link to go straight to the section. --Stfg (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Nominated at FAC, little nervous, dear both guru's Please correct me if any thing wrong was done in nomination process. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Etymology

Nothing about the etymology of the strange name? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 14:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The section now called Toponymy used to be called Etymology. (I'm not sure that the change was a good idea, but not sure enough of the reverse to undo it :) --Stfg (talk) 14:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

... so I asked on the GOCE talk page, and the guidance seems to favour Toponymy. --Stfg (talk) 17:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed the section. Now, I saw that the etymology of the words were not accurate, as the names are written in their traditional English spelling only. This is becoming common in articles related to India, feels like there's an intention to hide the origin of their words. It appears that the name Hyder is of Arabic origin, which is حيدر, transliterated Ḥaydar, normally pronounced in modern Arabic dialects as Ḥēdar. The traditional English spelling suggested that maybe it's of Greek origin, much like hydr-. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 09:28, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Mmm, well, I think that anyone who would be interested in etymology at all would probably understand that a couple of syllables could come from any of many languages, and probably not Greek in the case of the name of an Indian city. The text dispels that idea, anyway. As to your more general point, I'm not convinced that these fine distinctions of pronunciation are very significant in this context, especially as pronunciation evolves quite fast. However, if the case needs to be argued at all, I suggest it should be at WT:IND, not here.

By the way, your signature ends in <small> rather than </small>, thus forcing everything following it into small type. --Stfg (talk) 12:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Corrections and clarifications needed....

This a repost from the GOCE board.

Having looked at this article as an uninformed reader, there are problems right in the lede. I have no idea, for example, why the Hyderabad Municipal Corporation is even relevant to the city. I also find that the geographic location of being "on the banks of the Musi River on the Deccan Plateau in southern India" to be confusing rather than informative, as I have no idea where either of those things are. It gets even worse when the next paragraph indicates that Hyderabad is at "the crossroads of Northern and Southern India" because that means it's not in the south, but rather more centrally located. I think, therefore, that the issue is that the article is not written to the appropriate level for a general reader who doesn't know about the topic, and in fact, there are informational issues outside the scope of a simple copyedit. It's not a matter of language at all; any of us should be able to do an appropriately professional writeup, but it's going to take an India expert to figure out what is right and what is not before it goes for copyedit for clarity. There's also an issue with Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah. His article says he established Hyderabad under another city name, but that name is not mentioned in the lede, nor who Shah was. MSJapan (talk) 07:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad Municipal Corporation is relevant to the city because that agency was the administrative organization of the city until a few years ago, and then the size of the area under its administration was increased, and its name changed. I wonder if you actually meant why the municipal corporation is relevant to the lead.

The banks of musi river on the Deccan plateau sentence—you said it is confusing. But you did not mention why it is confusing. What you said is you do not know where these entities are. Of course you may not know, and that is why the sentence is there. If someone says " London is on the banks of Thames in southern part of England ", is that confusing ?

The crossroads sentence—ok, I agree that this usage could be confusing. It's rather a figurative use than literal.

That Quli Qutub Shah had given another name to the city is explained in the toponymy subsection of History in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I was actually talking about both with regards to HMC. It's a throwaway unexplained sentence in the lede, so it either needs to be explained or it needs to go. I would lean toward the latter, because it isn't relevant to any of the rest of the lede, just like I could care less that London has a Lord Mayor if I want to know about the city. "So what's London like?" "It's got a Lord Mayor." Doesn't answer the question, does it?

With regards to your second statement, yes, it is more confusing, because it doesn't tell me whether London or the Thames is in the south of England (and that's what you get for asking a copyeditor a language question). However, my actual point is that the excess detail makes a huge difference in the readability for the uninformed reader. As far as a lede on London (as it's a useful example), I much prefer "southern England" as a generality alone in the lede without adding in the river as well (which can be done in the Geography section later), and I think the same applies here. I want a generality; interest me there, and I'll read the article for the detail. I want the broad concept in the lede; "north" and "south" I understand, but not so much unfamiliar geography.

With regards to Shah, it's fine that it's in there, but wouldn't it make more sense to indicate that the city was established under the other name, and explain who Shah was? Those sound like key historical facts that I would want to know. To use the London example, if it were founded by King George, I'd want to know which one it was, and I'd want to know when it happened, because I probably know facts like that about other cities, so I can absorb that in my frame of reference. Most importantly, I didn't read the lede after I read the rest of the article (and no one else will either), so the fact that it's in there later doesn't help me in the beginning.

In short, the lede needs heavy work from an informational and structural standpoint. It's not supposed to just have random bits of the article in it; it's supposed to give an usable overview of the topic, and if it is over-detailed or under-detailed, it doesn't work as a readable introduction. That's the majority of the difficulty there, because detail isn't a problem in a subsection.

Read the article with an untrained eye reading about a topic you've never seen before today. Read the lede slowly for what it actually says, not what you want it to say or think it says. See what you think after every few sentences. If you go "huh?" or "and?" instead of "I get it!" then there's something wrong that needs to be fixed, and it's likely because the lede is saying too much or too little. MSJapan (talk) 04:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Haha, I like that sentence "and that's what you get for asking a copyeditor a language question"!

Anyway, I think the municipal problem arose because you wrote you did not understand the relevance of HMC to the city. You were indicating relevance of HMC in the lede. Ok, yes I agree that you have a point. Indeed some reviewers suggest appropriate summary of all sections to be in the lead. So, HMC is there in the lead as a summary of the administration section.

Essentially the debate is on the level of details in the lead. Of course the lede should be written to garner interest in the article, rather than mechanically summarizing all sections. We will use your suggestion. I can go ahead and make some changes as suggested by you, and hope those are ok with stfg. As a copyeditor, can you please give some more suggestions to improve the lead? --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Certainly OK with me (thanks for thinking of me). This sort of discussion usually leads to improvement. --Stfg (talk) 11:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Lede repost and comments

I did not want to make a subpage that would get lost (because they do), so here it is. Comments and changes in bold.:

Hyderabad (Listeni/ˈhaɪdərəbæd/) is the capital and largest city of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. It occupies 650 square kilometres (250 sq mi) on the banks of the Musi River on the Deccan Plateau in southern India. The issue is really both items together. Reads fine with either plateau or river alone, so if one is preferred over the other, it's fine. Just don't use both.

The population of the city Its population is 6.8 million, and its metropolitan area includes increases that number to 7.75 million people, making it India's fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration. The Hyderabad Municipal Corporation was expanded in 2007 to form the Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation. If you even want to mention HMC (I wouldn't), then you need to explain more about its beginnings, not its current status.

As a growing metropolitan city in a developing country, Hyderabad experiences substantial pollution and other logistical and socio-economic problems. Not sure this is lede-worthy.

Hyderabad was established in 1591 CE as Bhaganagar by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, fifth sultan of the Qutb Shahi dynasty of Golkonda. It remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty until 1687, when Mughal emperor Aurangzeb conquered the region and the city became part of the Deccan province of the Mughal empire. In 1724 Asif Jah I, a Mughal viceroy, declared his sovereignty and formed the Asif Jahi dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Nizams ruled the princely state of Hyderabad in a subsidiary alliance with the British Raj for more than two centuries. The city remained the princely state's capital from 1769 to 1948, when the Nizam signed an Instrument of Accession with the Indian Union at the conclusion of Operation Polo. The 1956 States Reorganisation Act created the modern state of Andhra Pradesh, with Hyderabad as its capital.

Since 1969, Hyderabad has been a major centre of the Telangana movement, which demands that the Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh should be made a separate state. Something is not stated clearly here, and since the city is *a* centre, and not *the* centre, it probably shouldn't go in the lede anyway.

Situated at the crossroads of North and South India, Hyderabad is noted for its unique culture. As the former capital of the largest and richest princely state, and with the patronage of the Nizams, This is all restatement.

Hyderabad Throughout its history, the city was a center for local traditions in art, literature, architecture and cuisine. The city It is a tourist destination and has many places of interest, including Chowmahalla Palace, Charminar and Golkonda fort. It has several museums, bazaars, galleries, libraries, sports venues and other cultural institutions. 'needs a bit of expansion here.

Hyderabad has emerged as a global hub for the information technology, pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries. expand with specific companies, products, etc., as it is unrelated to the following sentence.

It is home to the Telugu film industry this has nothing to do with either the previous or following statements, so it needs to stand on its own or go away.

and a major centre for higher education and research, with 13 universities and business schools. Also nothing to do with the previous items it was together with. Expand or remove. MSJapan (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

The new lead

Before making changes in the article, I just wanted to make sure everyone is on the same page. Following is the lead suggested by you --

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ ^ⓘ is the capital and largest city of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. It occupies 650 square kilometres (250 sq mi) on the banks of the Musi River in southern India. Its population is 6.8 million, and its metropolitan area increases that number to 7.75 million people, making it India's fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration.

Hyderabad was established in 1591 CE as Bhaganagar by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, fifth sultan of the Qutb Shahi dynasty of Golkonda. It remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty until 1687, when Mughal emperor Aurangzeb conquered the region and the city became part of the Mughal empire. In 1724 Asif Jah I, a Mughal viceroy, declared his sovereignty and formed the Asif Jahi dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Nizams ruled the princely state of Hyderabad in a subsidiary alliance with the British Raj for more than two centuries. The city remained the princely state's capital from 1769 to 1948, when the Nizam signed an Instrument of Accession with the Indian Union at the conclusion of Operation Polo. The 1956 States Reorganisation Act created the modern state of Andhra Pradesh, with Hyderabad as its capital.

Throughout its history, the city was a center for local traditions in art, literature, architecture and cuisine. It is a tourist destination and has many places of interest, including Chowmahalla Palace, Charminar and Golkonda fort. It has several museums, bazaars, galleries, libraries, sports venues and other cultural institutions.

I am ready to replace the existing lead with this if no one else has objection. You suggested that "expand with specific companies, products, etc., as it is unrelated to the following sentence." for the global hub of pharma company etc sentence. I could not expand this, as there is no single company company that stands out (unlike, say, Microsoft in Seattle). Its the industries as a whole that is notable. So, I have removed the sentence for now (unless you have some other suggestion). Also, although you indicated "expansion needed" for the museum, bazaar sentence, I did not expand. What do you think will be best? Names of some museums? Becasue thre are several bazaars which are perhaps equally important and I can not find any criteria (even if subjective) to chose a couple names from all tbhose. Pleased suggest.

I hope no one objects to this new lead as it may seem that the lead is not adequately summarizing teh article. I personally do not think so.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Certainly no objection, but:

• "It has several museums, bazaars, galleries, libraries, sports venues and other cultural institutions." could be said of just about any large city. What is needed here is to concentrate on those things that distinguish Hyderabad.
• I worry when considerations of sentence and paragraph structure are allowed to dictate decisions about content. First consider what is to be said; only then consider how best to present it. If the Musi River and the Deccan Plateau are each notable enough for the lead, then they are both notable enough for it, and I think the loss of one is a pity. The omission of it being the home of the Telugu film industry is a serious loss, and I feel that it is right to mention the predominant industry sectors without having to go into the detail of which companies are there (in the lede).

Please forgive me if I now make myself scarce. I think the process you guys are pursuing to sort out the lede is excellent, but I fear that my continued activity here may inhibit another copy editor from getting started, which I have requested. I want to make sure the next person has all the room they need. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 14:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The new lead (reworked)

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ ^ⓘ is the capital and largest city of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. It occupies 650 square kilometres (250 sq mi) on the banks of the Musi River in southern India. Its population is 6.8 million, and its metropolitan area increases that number to 7.75 million people, making it India's fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration.

Hyderabad was established in 1591 CE as Bhaganagar by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, fifth sultan of the Qutb Shahi dynasty of Golkonda. It remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty until 1687, when Mughal emperor Aurangzeb conquered the region and the city became part of the Mughal empire. In 1724 Asif Jah I, a Mughal viceroy, declared his sovereignty and formed the Asif Jahi dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Nizams ruled the princely state of Hyderabad in a subsidiary alliance with the British Raj for more than two centuries. The city remained the princely state's capital from 1769 to 1948, when the Nizam signed an Instrument of Accession with the Indian Union at the conclusion of Operation Polo. The 1956 States Reorganisation Act created the modern state of Andhra Pradesh, with Hyderabad as its capital.

Throughout its history, the city was a center for local traditions in art, literature, architecture and cuisine. It is a tourist destination and has many places of interest, including Chowmahalla Palace, Charminar and Golkonda fort. It has several museums, bazaars, galleries, libraries, sports venues and other cultural institutions—Laad Bazar, Madina Circle, Begum Bazaar, Sultan Bazaar are bazaars from the Qutb Shahi and Nizam era; Salar Jung, Nizam Museum, and AP State Archaeology Museum are notable museums. Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem are examples of distinctive culinary products of the city.

Historically, Hyderabad was known for its pearl and diamond trading centres. Industrialisation brought major Indian manufacturing and financial institutions to the city, such as the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, the Defence Research and Development Organisation and the National Mineral Development Corporation. Emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries from 1990s earned it the titles of "India's pharmaceutical capital" and the "Genome Valley of India". The Telugu film industry is based on Hyderabad.

The reworked lead is based on the suggestion and themes provided by MSJapan and stfg. Before taking it to the article, it is placed here for further suggestion.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, Dwaipayan. (The last three words should be "based in Hyderabad".) Best, --Stfg (talk) 20:02, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I think you should state distance say from Bangalore or a nearest major city in the lead to give an indication of position.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Deccan

In the medieval history section, it's not clear what "Deccan" refers to. Is that the Deccan Plateau or the Deccan province? Since it's the first occurrence in the body of the article, it should be explained and wikilinked if possible. Thanks. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 01:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The first occurrence refers to the plateau, and now it is mentioned in the article. The Deccan Province (Deccan subba) name came later, and has already been explained in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2014

HYDERABAD, TELANGANA STATE

124.123.197.230 (talk) 19:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - The article clearly states that, several times, and we don't use CAPITALS. Arjayay (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 8 June 2014

Anu Gold (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2014

Hyderabad is in Telanaga but capital for both states for 10 years 49.207.202.48 (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done The article clearly states:-

Hyderabad is the largest city in the South Indian state of Telangana. Currently, Hyderabad is the common capital of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh states, an arrangement that is scheduled to last for a maximum of ten years.

What point are you trying to make? - Arjayay (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 October 2013

I want to add the Hindi version of Hyderabad to the top of Infobox of this article, alongside the other languages, as Hindi is the national language of India. saurabh loves wiki (talk) 03:35, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Please also provide a reliable source so that the information may be verified. Rivertorch (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

May 2014

Lead section is too long, place some content in their respective sections.Vin09 (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:Leadlength, four paras is enough for such a lengthy article; as such, I don't see any problem with it. Also, this has undergone a thorough review here to reach Featured article status. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Names of Hyderabad

The article "Names of Hyderabad" will make more sense if it is incorporated in the article of the city of Hyderabad as there is not enough content in the former to mandate a separate, stand-alone article. —Avenue X at Cicero (t · c) sends his regards @ 21:16, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. As a stand alone article, Names of Hyderabad does not need to exist, as of now, per the rationale provided by the nominator.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Concur. Before clicking on Names of Hyderabad, I expected it to be discussing historical names of the city in the pre-Nizam era etc. However that article simply talks of two sobriquets of Hyderabad city, which can be summarized in a sentence or two in this article without any loss of information. Abecedare (talk) 16:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Agree, the Names of Hyderabad should be merged into Hyderabad page.--Vin09 (talk) 07:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Agree- the Names of Hyderabad should be merged into Hyderabad page or it may be deleted. When I searched for Name of Hyderabad, I was looking for etymology. Mukeshsamani (talk) 08:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Dwaipayanc You know that Names of Hyderabad requires a lot of work. This is a featured article and it will be undue if other article has been merged. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The other article is very short. Perhaps propose what sentences should be added here which would make this discussion more focused? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I thought of notability. [1] [2] Maybe 2-4 paragraphs can be added on other page. May easily pass start/C class with these citations. Bladesmulti (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The section [[3]] in article is enough to explain the different names of Hyderabad, so no need of another article, If required to expand it can be included in History of Hyderabad. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Delete Names of Hyderabad, Cyberabad is a part of Hyderabad city, as same as Secunderabad.[4] [5], even the spelling of Hyderabad is spelled and pronounced in single fashion among locally and globally. So no need of another article "Names of Hyderabad". :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC) --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

• CommentI have added other historical names of Hyderabad such as Bhagyanagar, Bhagnagar, etc. But I don't know about the notability of the article. If it has to be kept, keep it or add a few lines from the article to this article, but it should be done fast.Sheikh Mohammad Shahzeb ^Talk/_Stalk 06:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Culture section

Do we really need to name Taramati and Maha Laqa Bai? We can reduce one sentence if we delete them.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed , Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Region in info-box: Deccan vs Telangana or Both?

We have very heated discussion about this issue. See here. If we include column about region, Telangana is more appropriate than Deccan. Nowadays nobody uses Deccan. Deccan means south. During Mughal times they referred this region as Deccan to refer it as Southern province etc. But Telangana is still heavily used the word to describe the region. You hear that word every day in news. Still why you want to remove the word Telangana? See here. Can unbiased Wiki editor answer me this? I am ok with inlcuding both Deccan and Telangana as regions. I dont think its right to remove Telangana from region column of info box.Ramcrk (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that both Deccan and Telengana region should be in the infobox. --Dwaipayan (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree with both or with Deccan, but not only Telengana —as we see some editors now and then are insisting for only Telengana to be included. Deccan refers to the Deccan Plateau region — a geographical region of India, as the article is about a city of geographical place, and infobox contains mostly geo-info, it is necessary to include Deccan. If you are insisting to include names based on there meanings and when Deccan means South, So what does Telengana means for? literally it does not mean any thing except 10 districts of AP etc, then why should we include it? And a subject being in news does not mean that it should be included in the article. We are doing our best to maintain neutrality of the article and with all respect I have no problem including Telengana in infobox along with Deccan, but only Telengana is in appropriate and will start a new wave of edit warring. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Omer123hussain on this. Putting Telangana as region is not relevant since Deccan gives a more historic significane and more appropriate. As you pointed out, it narrows down what Hyderabad represents and is part of. Besides as I have pointed earlier in the previous discussion, Telangana isn't a recognized admin division of the state. it has come into people's mindshare only now due to the T movement. I've discussed this at lengths, and the motive for some parties arguing seems to be only the sentiment of trying to "prove" Hyderabad as part of Telangana in the context of deciding the fate of the city if the state were to be divided. Vamsisv (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see the point that some people may be trying to push a PoV here by insisting on Telengana. However, though Telengana is not an administrative entity, it is a region of geo-political importance for many many years (a comparable entity can be Vidarbha). So, both Deccan (another geo-political entity, but more geographical than polotical) and Telengana should be there. Indeed, not mentioning Telengana would also be a POV-pushing and non-comprehensive. Hyderabad is within Telengana and Deccan, and both are notable entities.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Since we have consensus for including the both regions in the infobox, I made the change in article to include both. Ramcrk (talk) 04:47, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Sub section names

I feel the article contains plenty of sub-section list, which shall have to be reduced. Please advice. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

you are correct that the article has many subsections. However each subsection apparently has substantial amount of text. Coalescing several substantial subsections might result in a very big section, which is also bad. The level of details each section has necessitates the use of subsections under sections. This is not unprecedented, some other city articles do use such subsections. On the other hand, there are examples in which not so many subsections are used (such as, Kolkata). I have a feeling forcefully trying to coalesce subsections (unless a subsection has less or insubstantial text) would be difficult at this stage.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, you are right I also found many FA's which contain good amount of sub sections. So we will move with the current list. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Question for Stfg or other copyeditors, and to Omer

• "This lasted until 1321 when the Kakatiya dynasty was annexed by Allaudin Khilji general Malik Kafur." Does this sentence sound good? My question is specifically on the "Allaudin Khilji general" part.
  • No, I don't think you can put a general in apposition to his sovereign. "Queen Victoria general Colley" would make no sense, for example. I've suggested: "This lasted until 1321, when the Kakatiya dynasty was annexed by Malik Kafur, Allaudin Khilji's general." --Stfg (talk) 08:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
• In 1712, Farrukhsiyar, the sixth of Aurangzeb's successors" Sure Farrukhsiyar was sixth successor in just about 25 years?--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"In 1712, Farrukhsiyar the later Mughal emperor, appointed Asif Jah I to be Viceroy of the Deccan" is this okay :)regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Request

Can someone repair the template "{{|Hyderabad, India weatherbox}}" the source [44] attached with this template is dropping out of "weather box". Regards:)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the template. The curly brackets closing out the table were put in the wrong place and the source hadn't been given a name. There was also a minor formatting error. If it doesn't show, just purge the cache and it will show up. (Oops realised I forgot to sign this...12 hours ago Blackmane (talk) 10:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC))

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hyderabad, India → Hyderabad
• Hyderabad → Hyderabad (disambiguation)

– This city of Hyderabad in India clearly satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Now, before I go demonstrating that, let me also point out another problem: the current title, Hyderabad, India, doesn't actually disambiguate. As noted on the disambiguation page, there are four other places entitled "Hyderabad" that are or were in India (Hyderabad district, India, Hyderabad State, Hyderabad State (1948–56), and Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh), so if disambiguation is truly needed here, a different disambiguator is needed.

Thankfully, I don't believe one is needed, as today, in the 21st century, most people when they think of Hyderabad, they think of the contemporary city of 7.8 million, the fourth-largest city in India. They do not think of the Pakistani city that isn't even the largest city in its province: Andhra Pradesh's Hyderabad is a global city, while the Hyderabad in Pakistan is not. This Hyderabad has non-stop flights to as far away as London, Hong Kong, and Singapore from its airport; the Hyderabad in Pakistan does not even have a functioning airport. Speaking to long-term significance, this Hyderabad was founded in 1591; the Hyderabad in Pakistan was founded in 1768.

They do not, it seems, think of the historic Hyderabad State. Perusing through Google Books results for Hyderabad -wikipedia from the past half-century, it seems the majority of sources referring to anything other than the city explicitly append another word to the name (e.g. "Hyderabad State" or "Hyderabad District"), while those referring to the city tend not to. And it bears noting that the Hyderabad State, which didn't even come into existence for 130 years, was named after the city, not the other way around; therefore, the city of Hyderabad, predating and outlasting the historic state, certainly satisfies the long-term significance criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.

What really drives the primacy argument home (or insert cricket-related idiom here) are the Google web search results for Hyderabad -wikipedia. Every single result on the first ten pages is in reference to this city. (After that, I just stopped.) And so, with that, it appears this city in Andhra Pradesh satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC both in usage and long-term significance. Therefore, the article about this city should occupy the Hyderabad title. -- tariqabjotu 03:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support, per nom. Well stated. bd2412 T 14:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support – This is the rare primary topic claim that I'd call a good one. A well-made case, for one of the world's most prominent and well-known cities, where no other topic comes close. Dicklyon (talk) 20:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Comment the hatnote has been deleted, so this is now even more poor navigation. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom. And Tariq, I had a good laugh reading your comment within parenthesis (or insert cricket-related idiom here). It's ok, will take drive home for now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom (also, as nom notes, dab is poor, since "Hyderabad, India" doesn't really disambiguate anything). Canuck^{89 (talk to me)} 08:44, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
• Support; the earlier state is definitely a prominent topic (and is linked from the lead), but this article as primary topic makes the most sense. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• I'm stunned; never would I have guessed that the city would not have had primary topic here. Support, of course. Clearly the primary topic. Red Slash 16:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support; Its like wish come true, in eralier move request for this article nobody had convinced the issue, as you did above. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support: per Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Hyderabad, Sindh, a city of over 3 millions and the seventh largest in Pakistan, and Hyderabad State, an important country for over two centuries, alone disqualify the Indian city as the primary topic. If someone prefers a different disambiguator, please propose it. —  AjaxSmack  00:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Rome constituted one of the most significant civilizations in history, and yet we understand that today, the modern city, not Ancient Rome or any of its constituent empires, is the primary topic of the term. Those two meanings can be linked from a hatnote, if necessary. -- tariqabjotu 02:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't rely on the population data that's listed in South Asian cities. They are often vandalized to booster the rankings of the city. This is very apparent here with this edit and this edit. Secondly, the page large difference in page views between Hyderabad, Sindh and Hyderabad, India clearly shows that the city India is the primary topic. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad State also has significantly less views. Elockid ^(Talk) 03:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

WOW. Absolutely wow. I reverted the vandalism, but wow. I was wondering how I had never known that Pakistan's Hyderabad was so important--turns out it's not quite THAT important. Red Slash 02:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'm going to repeat my statement of the last RM as nothing has changed: "Oppose. At least two major cities with same name (one of 6.8m people, one of 1.5m) mean it is not clear that one is "much more likely than any other topic," per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I note as well that there has been no notification of this WP:RM on pages that would expect have input in this discussion (e.g. Hyderabad State, Hyderabad, Sindh)." Tassedethe (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, neither of them are affected by this move proposal. In both cases, that article will remain a single click away from the article located at Hyderabad (they'll put a WP:HATNOTE up). The articles affected will include only far less significant ones, like Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh, which now will regrettably be two clicks away. (Still worth it for this article, about the major Indian city, to be located at the base name to make things easier for the majority of our readers.) Red Slash 14:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
    • The proposal explicitly makes claim that those two articles are not as important. Without notification how are people with knowledge on those topics expected to find out and perhaps respond. Tassedethe (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
      • Not even remotely, and I have no idea where you're getting this idea--the nominator never used the word "important" and neither did any supporter (I've used the word twice now responding to oppose !voters). We name articles based on what we think users will be best served by. For instance, there's a mythological creature--completely meaningless and worthless, just an idea, and not important at all--called a phoenix, and a big important city, where a lot of people live, which is also called Phoenix. Nevertheless, there's a disambiguation page there because even though the city is far more important, lots of people are still looking for the mythological creature. Please, no one here is suggesting that the state or the Pakistani city are unimportant, or even that this Indian city is more important; just that it's more likely to help our readers if we have the city article at the base name, Hyderabad. Red Slash 21:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support - primary topic. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Extension of GHMC area.

Recently it was published in newspapers that Government orders were issued to and it had been implemented to extend the GHMC boundaries by merging some 36 rural grams/panchayts area, need experts advise if we shall wait untill official announcements.

• My worry is if we update newly included area, we need to upgrade almost all the sections, and it is not possible to obtain the latest statistics so early, So better shall we move with old boundries untill an official announcement is made. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

New lead

@Omer123hussain and Dwaipayanc: As a follow-up to my remarks at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, I'd like to suggest an overhaul to the lead. As I indicated there, I sought to eliminate the lists toward the end of the current lead, and, while keeping the history, say a bit more about the city's culture. I also tried to improve the prose a bit. The result is as follows:

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ ^ⓘ is the capital and largest city of the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Occupying 922 square kilometres (356 sq mi) along the banks of the Musi River, as of 2011, it had a population of 6.8 million and a metropolitan population of 7.75 million, making it is the fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration in India. At an average altitude of 542 metres (1,778 ft), much of Hyderabad is situated on hilly terrain around artificial lakes, including Hussain Sagar—predating the city’s founding—north of the city centre.

Established in 1591 by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, Hyderabad remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty for nearly a century before the Mughals captured the region. In 1724, Mughal viceroy Asif Jah I declared his sovereignty and created his own dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Hyderabad State ultimately became a princely state duringBritish rule, and remained so for 150 years, with the city serving as its capital. The city continued as capital of a newHyderabad State after joining the Indian Union in 1948 and before attaining its current status as the focal point of Andhra Pradesh in 1956.

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad has lost its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

As I am not an expert on the city, I imagine I may have made a few mistakes, perhaps overemphasizing points that are't particularly important. However, most of the facts in this proposed introduction were in the original one, and others are drawn from elsewhere in the article. I wanted to include examples of "major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions", but I didn't want to include all five of the ones currently listed. I just selected the National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, but I'm not sure if Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, the Defence Research and Development Organisation, or the National Mineral Development Corporation might actually be more significant.

Anyway, some feedback would be welcomed. Note that this is scheduled to appear as TFA on September 19. -- tariqabjotu 03:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes its good and we can move with it, I have two concerns and one addition.

My concerns are 1) Geographic area; shall we mention 650Km or 922Km (Its not officially declared on GHMC web site until my last access, and we need to make lot lot of changes in multiple sections).

2) The third paragraph says; While Hyderabad has lost its cultural preeminence, which is not true. Where as today non of the Indian city is considered as cultural prominant, in fact it was Hyderabad that is declared as a first Heritage city of India in 2012, So I think writing this sentence is not true.

Added one more sentence into your version, highlighted it and posted the same here below. Any way we can wait until Dwaip responce his opinion, Or else I will ping him as we have very less time to be live for TFA. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ ^ⓘ is the capital and largest city of the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Occupying 650 square kilometres (250 sq mi) along the banks of the Musi River, as of 2011, it had a population of 6.8 million and a metropolitan population of 7.75 million, making it the fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration in India. At an average altitude of 542 metres (1,778 ft), much of Hyderabad is situated on hilly terrain around artificial lakes, including Hussain Sagar—predating the city’s founding—north of the city centre.

Established in 1591 by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, Hyderabad remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty for nearly a century before the Mughals captured the region. In 1724, Mughal viceroy Asif Jah I declared his sovereignty and created his own dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Hyderabad State ultimately became a princely state duringBritish rule, and remained so for 150 years, with the city serving as its capital. The city continued as capital of a newHyderabad State after joining the Indian Union in 1948 and before attaining its current status as the focal point of Andhra Pradesh in 1956.

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is loosing its cultural preeminence, the traditional bazaars such as Laad Bazaar, Madina Circle, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar, dating from the Qutb Shahi and Nizam era remain prominent. Today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

• • Reads excellent However, the loss of culture pre-eminence is not probably true, and is not there in the body of the article. That needs to be removed. Also, the mention of bazaars can be included in the legacy sentence: "That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem, and its traditional bazaars such as Laad Bazaar, Madina Circle, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar." What say?--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Dwaip's opinion. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain and Dwaipayanc: It seems like you two are confusing preeminence ("the fact of surpassing all others; superiority") with prominence ("the state of being important"). Surely Hyderabad is no longer the foremost center of culture in India today, no? And while I understand the loss of preeminence (or losing of preeminence) is not explicitly in the body, it would be a problem if the lead said that Hyderabad emerged as the foremost city of culture in India without saying that it no longer holds that status today. Obviously, if it does hold that status today, then, yes, by all means, remove that clause.

In any event, I agree with Dwaipayan that the mention of the bazaars should be moved. Where he suggested it (in the sentence starting "That legacy is also evident...") is fine. Alternatively, it could go in the fourth paragraph, where the economy is discussed. Either way, perhaps it might be possible to reduce the list to three examples, instead of four (as everyone loves things in threes)? So, something like:

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem, and its traditional bazaars, such as Laad Bazaar, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is losing its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and it continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output ofUS$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

Alternatively...

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is losing its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and it continues to be known as the City of Pearls. Many of the city's traditional bazaars, including Laad Bazaar, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar, have remained open for centuries. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

I'm indifferent between the two options. And, of course, if you think it's incorrect to say Hyderabad has lost, or is losing, its cultural preeminence, that can be removed too. -- tariqabjotu 21:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

@Tariqabjotu and Dwaipayanc: the latest second alternative by Tariqabjotu looks excellent. So shall we go ahead ASAP ? :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please go ahead with this second alternative ASAP. Let's get this fixed. Meanwhile, the pre-eminence/prominence issue will remain, but that can get some more thought later. Hyderabad was probably never number 1 in culture in India. For that matter, no one city in India can vie for that. Many cities have their own claim to fame regarding culture, whether in the past or in the present. The epithet "cultural capital of India" is often used for Kolkata, although that does not mean Kolkata is way far ahead culturally than other big cities. Similarly, Hyderabad was at number one, now lost that place (I get that sense reading the sentence, although I may be reading it wrong) -- that's not a perfect statement. What my general sense is that Hyderabad was known for its cukture, is known for its culture, there are many unique things there, but ranking is not possible among the cities.@Tariqabjotu and Omer123hussain:--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ya I agree and as I mention above its not correct to claim Hyderabad "number 1 cultural city of India", it was far ahead to be claimed as cultural capital. Any way this issue can be later resolved. So moving with second alternative option. Thanks a lot to User:Tariqabjotu for helping us to improve the article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Administrative structure?

I have been reading some historical records (birth, death and marriage records, possibly maintained by the British) that refer to Hyderabad being in Madras, at least in a period covered by records that lie in the range from 1889 to 1938. There is no mention of Madras in either this article or History of Hyderabad. Can anyone comment on this? hamiltonstone (talk) 04:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, are they referring to Madras Presidency? Technically it should not because Hyderabad state was not directly ruled by the British.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps User:Fowler&fowler can throw some light?--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

F&f would likely have a better answer but I would suggest that this was because the British people posted to the princely states in the south would likely have their records maintained by the Madras Presidency -- in the case of Hyd state they could have actually been recorded either by the Madras or Central Provinces administrations. The reason being that while they had people in their employ posted in the various princely states, the main administrative activity was conducted at the various presidencies and provincial administrations. —SpacemanSpiff 04:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Spaceman's suggestion sounds feasible and yes, I now have information indicating the records were maintained by the Madras Presidency.hamiltonstone (talk) 04:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd have to know more about the records. Generally speaking, Hyderabad state, Kashmir, Mysore and Baroda were the four large princely states managed directly by the Government of India in Calcutta until 1931, and in New Delhi thereafter. Smaller states, such as those in the Rajputana Agency or Central India Agency etc were managed by the agent (in-chief) of the Governor-General of India in those respective regions, with political agents or residents under him stationed in the individual states. Still smaller states were managed by the provincial governments. In the case of the Madras Presidency, they were Travancore, Cochin, and a couple of minor ones. In other words, even though the Crown was the official suzerain, the Madras Presidency was the de facto suzerain of these states.

The Britons in the princely states consisted mainly of army men and their families, and the much smaller staff of the Resident's office. I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing that army garrisons in Hyderabad had their headquarters in Madras (the city and capital of Madras Presidency). So it could be that those records were maintained there. Also, the Government of India in Calcutta, Hyderabad's direct suzerain, had bigger things to worry about, so it is possible they might have farmed out the smaller tasks (recording births and deaths) to the nearest province, as Spaceman is suggesting. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

PS If you are talking about the Census of India, however, off the top of my head, I'm not sure where the records for Hyderabad would have been kept. I know that in most cases the princely states themselves bore the costs of the operations within their territories. You could skim through the 1891 census general report, especially pages 283 to 288. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

PPS As you will see here, the Madras command of the British Indian Army comprised the Madras presidency, the British garrisons in Hyderabad, Mysore and Burma. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Protect article from vandal IP editors

May someone lock/protect the article from vandal IP and seasonal Popup ediotrs. It is becoming difficult to check those edits regularly, otherwise the article will lose its comprehensiveness. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)}}

I am not an administrator, so I cannot protect the page but requests for page protection should be placed at WP:RFPP. :) Darylgolden^(talk) 08:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Omer, I've filed a report at the WP:RPP for a longer duration protection. I've noticed that, to get an indefinite protection, there needs to be a clear sign of persistent disruptive edits despite multiple previous short duration attempts over an extended period of time...so it's best to wait. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and prompt action. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Photo mosaic

Editor Rithwik1997 has just changed the photomosaic. I wanted to say that I really like the new one, but the editor's captions are not OK and have created a bunch of unnecessary redlinks. I'd rather we fixed the captions than reverted the image changes, though. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I like it too, are you listening Rithwik1997? I've fixed most of the redlinks with the exception of "Lanco Hills", there's no mention of it in here let alone it having its own article. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it is nice, but not up to FA standards, it could have license issues as it is not verified and not even categorized, and the source of images is not mentioned. Secondly most of the structures he added are half cut which gives no meaning, for instance I-labs, the bottom left corner image etc. It will be very nice of Rithwik1997 if he could add the sources of those images, categorize, and very as required by FA articles. Hope you all may understand the requirement. Apology for reverting your all good work. Better to delay rather than any licensing task. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2014

Update the Hyderabad Location to Telangana from Andhra Pradesh, Its capital of Telangana 29 th state of India K.n.narin (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Currently, see time stamp, the bill proposing the new state has been sent to the President, but has not yet been approved. As I understand it, even when the Bill is passed, Telangana does not come into existence immediately. We will wait until the state actually exists before "moving" Hyderabad. - Arjayay (talk) 17:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Times of India report

"After the President gives his assent, the legislation will be notified in the central gazette. It will come into effect from the date of publication of the gazette or any date set by the central government."

"If all goes well, two states - Telangana and the residuary state of Andhra Pradesh, will come into existence by month-end" - Arjayay (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Montage Update

I've updated the montage with many new images. I feel the new montage is more bright and colourful than the previous one. Suggestions are welcome. Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Category

There is no problem in adding the Category:Cities and towns in Telangana to this pages category, as the city is a part of the Telangana region (not a state till june 2). The Telangana page itself says its a region. So, Hyderabad can be categorized in the above category which do not reflect as a separate state and no need to wait till june 2.Vin09 (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

We need to wait for the reality! What's the hurry with you for the addition? You don't even seem to provide a substantial explanation as to why it needs to be included now! — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:15, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

i'm not in hurry, i just want to categorize it. Users reverting without any explanation. The city is a part of the region, that is the explanation. You can see Guntur district page is categorised under Coastal Andhra, does it mean coastal andhra is a separate state? it is just a region. There are also pages categorized under Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema is not a separate state. The same way I've categorized it under Telangana which is a region. If i'm wrong. Let's close it here(talk) 13:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Support Vin09 - the region already exists, and AFAIK it has done since 1956. As the opening line states "Telangana is a region in the state of Andhra Pradesh". The region includes several cities, and no-one has suggested the category should be deleted, so:-

1. Hyderabad is a city
2. It is in the region of Telangana
3. The addition of Category:Cities and towns in Telangana is clearly, absolutely correct - Arjayay (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

As per WP policy, an article's section is not a collection of links, please don’t be bias with encyclopedia; if "Guntur district" is categorized under Coastal Andhra it should not bother us and if you feel it is not correct go ahead and remove it rather than adding the regional cat's to all the articles. And for logical instance :- Please see the longstanding Indian FA article such as Kolkatta and Manglore and non-India FA such as Erie, Pennsylvania and Boston which are not categorized under any regional category, whereas if you see recently delisted Indian FA Chennai—(categorized as "Cities and towns in Tamil Nadu") and Bangalore—(categorized as "Cities and towns in Karnataka") they are categorized under regional category leading towards the loss of FA status, probably regional location sort of categorization are not at all required and will lead to spoil the status of article as FA. Hope you all are satisfied with my reply, otherwise let me know so that I can convince you some more. Thus with good faith removing both the regional categories "Telangana" and "Cities and towns in Telangana". Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC) --Omer123hussain (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

That is a totally erroneous attempt at justification

Whilst an article should not be a collection of links, categories are not links, they are methods of categorizing information, so that it can be found in many different ways. Look at the list at the bottom of this talk page to see how many categories even talk pages can be in. Please also look at the other entries in those categories, which show the diverse nature of categorization. I have reverted and will consider any further removal of blatantly correct categories to be vandalism. Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

By studing most of the FA's It is understood that adding regional cat's are out of FA style. Thus re-storing to its orignal form until final concensus is created here. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain, your explanation of Mangalore page i saw, it is categorized under Indian Ocean, Mangalore is at arabian sea and Laccadive sea, and about Kolkata (categorized as "Cities and towns in West Bengal"), also the foreign cities which you stated do have same kind of categories as (cities in their respective states of Massachusetts for Boston and Pennsylvania), you may be right in your opinion but why the categories still exist if they are of no use.Vin09 (talk) 04:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That is the reason I mentioned in my first revert edit, one shall have to wait until 02/06, as of now Hyderabad is part of AP, so if we drag it into TG cat's it will be bias, and if we mention AP and TG cat's it will be a junk. I am not against adding TG cat's as far as it is fair, but one should be fair to understand that as of now we are part of AP. Please understand and wiat for 02/06. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Common capital

As per the reorganization bill Hyderabad is part of Telangana and Telangana govt is responsible for the city of Hyderabad. City's MLAs are members of Telangana assembly. Though its common capital, Andhra Pradesh state have no rights or responsibilities on Hyderabad city. We have special section for common capital but does not clarify what it means. If we dont specify reader can assume that both governments have equal rights and responsibilities to the city.

The state reorganization bill says ..

3. On and from the appointed day, there shall be formed a new State to be known as the State of Telangana comprising the following territories of the existing State of Andhra Pradesh, namely:- Adilabad, Karimnagar, Medak, Nizamabad, Warangal, Rangareddi, Nalgonda, Mahbubnagar, Khammam and Hyderabad districts, and thereupon the said territories shall cease to form part of the existing State of Andhra Pradesh..

We need to include this para to in the common capital section for clarification. Ramcrk (talk) 03:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Update palce to Hyderabad,Telangana State

86.96.226.5 (talk) 08:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC) Dear Sir,

Please edit the Hyderabad,Andrapradesh to Hyderabad,Telangana.Now hyderabad is in the new state of Telangana please update the place as soon as possible.

Thanking you and best regards Karthik

Hi Karthik. Hyderabad, Telangana already redirects to this article. --regentspark (comment) 11:18, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2014

Please change the Hyderabad from Andhra pradesh state to Telangana. Still its showing in Andhra Prdesh only.

Please do the required modification

101.59.17.252 (talk) 17:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done I can't see anywhere that it states Hyderabad is still in Andhra Pradesh. AP is mentioned in the history, because Hyderabad was in AP for so long. It is also mentioned in the section on it being the joint capital. If there is a specific use of AP that worries you, please tell us exactly which section it is in, and what the text around it is. - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Update Hyderabad as capital city of Telangana with hyperlink Telangana

Currently in this article, it says Hyderbad is the largest city in the south indian state opf telangana,update this as Hyderabad is the capital city of telangana and one of the largest city in south india, and also it says Hyderabad is a common capital of "Telangana"(hyperlink this)and Andhrapradesh,please hyperklink Telangana here as maps are still picking up hyderabad,andhrapradesh instead of hyderabad,telangana due to unavailability of Hypelink — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiva.santosham (talk • contribs) 07:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

It now says "Hyderabad is the capital city of the Indian state of Telangana in South India. Currently, Hyderabad is also the capital city for Andhra Pradesh ..." - I don't think we can be much clearer.
Also we would not have wiki-linked the use of Telangana which you were requestong, as Telangana was linked on the first line and, as per WP:OVERLINK, we only link the first use. - Arjayay (talk) 09:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2014

Hyderabad is now in the state of Telangana and is a temporary capital of Andhra Pradesh for 10 years. so state must be changed to Telangana. 122.169.138.78 (talk) 06:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done this is exactly what the article says, and has said since 2 June - Arjayay (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2014

Hyderabad's current population was 12 million.Kindly change the info As per(Telangana Household Survey 2014) Baazi786 (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to this information? Cannolis (talk) 13:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 00:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats: Featured Article

Congratulations to all the active editors, who have managed to improve the quality of this article & ensured that it will appear as Featured Article. Well done everybody. Hope more articles related to Hyderabad will follow this trend.Sarvagyana guru (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats everyone especially those handful number of editors who have strived hard to achieve this. Vamsisv (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Kudos Zubair techy94 (talk) 14:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Is this required?

this I think is not required, atleast needs to be cut short -sarvajna (talk) 13:06, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I see that there is a discussion going on, I have reverted the edits. I don't think there is a consensus yet. I don't have any issues if you revert my edits. Thanks -sarvajna (talk) 13:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Keep it, and redirect Names of Hyderabad to here. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Which state Hyderabad in?

I reverted the change because, Hyderabad is in Telangana state and Telangana state makes the budget, Telangana police is responsible for law and order, Hyderabad MLAs are members of Telangana assembly. It may be common capital for both the states and AP get to use facilities in Hyderabad until it build it capital but it does not have any administrative control on the city. If somebody broke into AP secretariate or AP CMs residence in Hyderabad, Telangana police will investigate the crime. All the services in Hyderabad will be provided by Telangana state. The postal address of everybody in Hyderabad say Telangana state. Ramcrk (talk) 05:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@Ramcrk: Agree. Absolutely valid point.

@Dav subrajathan.357: If you think otherwise, make a valid point here instead of revert warring. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 12:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

The city is in Telengana, so that's what the box should say. However, a citation on the governance would be a good idea before we definitively decide how it is governed. --regentspark (comment) 13:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Here is the news link where Telangana CM talking to officials regarding development projects in Hyderabad(GHMC, HMDA). Here is another link where Telangana CM is picking his top team of bureaucrats including Hyderabad police commissioner(city's top cop). Here is Telangana govt web site(site is not fully functional. Still in transition phase). Ramcrk (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks like there edit war regarding this topic again. Please discuss here on this topic before making changes. Ramcrk (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Assesment of citation and c/e

As the article is of FA status I started self review/assesment to avoid old and aging citation and information. Please cooperate to keep it upto the status of FA. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 01:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

The blanket change of all mention of Andhra Pradesh to Telangana is premature. For example, if you visit the references attributed to "Telangana Forest Department" [or "Telangna Forest Department" as was written before my correction], they are very clearly published as "A. P. Forest Department". Changing "situated in the north-western part of Andhra Pradesh" to "situated in the north-western part of Telangana" has created a frankly false statement. It is not in the north-west of Telangana. In my opinion, this article no longer deserves FA status, and if it isn't improved, it should be demoted. DrKay (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)