Talk:Hu Yaobang

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Some political analysts have argued that the current administration under President Hu Jintao wishes to associate itself with the popular Hu Yaobang. Both Hus rose to power through the Communist Youth League, and are described as part of the same "Youth League Clique". Hu Yaobang was also responsible for promoting Hu Jintao to the CPC central office.

is not in proper English syntax. In fact, it does not make sense in English. Could whoever wrote it see if they can fix it.? Fred Bauder 23:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I take that back. I can see now that I did not adequately interpret the expression "both Hus". Although I don't think they are related, they share the same family name. I think it might be better to replace "Both Hus" with "Both" for English speakers. Fred Bauder 23:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Would anyone care to expand on the above mentioned "Youth League Clique" and its opposition, the "Shanghai" or "Zhejiang-Jiangsu" faction?

Early Life[edit]

This has no sources, and seems to be translated from Chinese:

He was persecuted many times by the communist cadres of the faction returning from the former-Soviet Union, who controlled the communist leadership and had the real power. Once Mao Zedong was removed from power for good shortly before the beginning of the Fourth Encirclement Campaign, his supporters were persecuted once again and this time Hu Yaobang's luck seemed to have run out: he was sentenced to death and just before the beginning of the Long March, he and others were on their way to be beheaded. However, a powerful local communist commander named Tan Yubao (谭余保, 1899 - January 10, 1980) intervened at the last minute, thus saving Hu's life, but because of Hu's support of Mao, he was deemed as unreliable and ordered to join Long March so that he could be placed under surveillance. Despite distrust from top leadership, Hu remained loyal to the communist cause and attempted to prove himself at every opportunity when fighting their nationalist (KMT) enemy.

My sense is that a 15-18 year old probably wasn't "persecuted many times," and that going on the Long March was much better than being left behind. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reformer[edit]

I would like to see more balance than this:

Deng forced Hu to resign on the heels of a series of student demonstrations in late 1986, believed by the hardliners as a consequence of Hu's tolerance of and perhaps his empathetic attitude towards China's liberal intelligentsia, who were pushing for more political freedom and reform.

For example, we might consider this to be equally true (and, cited!):

Student demonstrations and high inflation contributed to an atmosphere in which Chen Yun was able to weaken Deng Xiaoping's grip on power by attacking Hu. During the January 12, 1987, party meeting to criticize Hu Yaobang, Yao Yilin and Song Ping – Chen Yun’s two main allies on the politburo – led the attack. They blamed Hu for sending contradictory signals to the provincial levels about economic retrenchment in 1979.

Source: Shih, Victor C., Factions and Finance in China: Elite Conflict and Inflation (Cambridge University Press, New York: 2008, p. 130. DOR (HK) (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tiananmen Square[edit]

  • the current article reads... "The mourning became a public conduit for anger against perceived nepotism in the government, the unfair dismissal and early death of Hu, and the behind-the-scenes role of the "old men", officially retired leaders who nevertheless maintained quasi-legal power, such as Deng Xiaoping."

However, the reasons for the protests at Tiananmen Square are debatable. For example, aside from student protesters, there were many non-student protesters who were in the streets due to price hikes of gas etc... due to Friedmanite capitalist reforms. Perhaps this should also be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.1.38 (talk) 04:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Multiple issues" tag[edit]

There are a few paragraphs that are unsourced, but most of the article is sourced in a consistent MLA style. What is wrong with the article that requires the generic "multiple issues" tag? What changes do you believe should be made?Ferox Seneca (talk) 13:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop changing dates to d/m/y format[edit]

WP:DATERET states: "The date format chosen by the first major contributor in the early stages of an article should continue to be used". When the article was first created, it used an m/d/y date format, and so that format should continue to be used. Please stop changing dates to d/m/y format.Ferox Seneca (talk) 07:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with this. Unless the topic deals with British things, I am inclined to always go with MDY. Colipon+(Talk) 14:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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What does this even mean?[edit]

In the "official rehabilitation" section there is this sentence: Skeptics noted that Hu Jintao made a statement praising the governments of Cuba and North Korea (in spite of their economic "flaws") shortly after announcing Hu Yaobang's public commemoration, implying that it would be unlikely that the party would pursue a dramatic programme of political reform in the near future.

What does (in spite of their economic "flaws") even mean? What is it referring to? 2.235.241.64 (talk) 12:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it okay to use a clearer, but younger image?[edit]

I'm considering using this image of him as the infobox image. It is of higher resolution, is taken from the front, although he was younger in the image. I know that there's a policy to use the most recent image possible, but for deceased people, similar to Queen Elizabeth II, it is acceptable to use a photo taken any point during their life as the infobox image. Please let me know if you have any objections. Windywendi (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry this image does not seem proper to me as the infobox image, because it shows Hu when he was too young and is not appropriate for a person who was once a top leader of China. Queen Elizabeth II's picture clearly shows her status as the Queen, but the picture you suggested about Hu does not show his status or any other important information (whereas the current infobox picture does). SCreditC (talk) 21:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are certainly correct that we need a better quality image for the infobox. This one you suggest would well be worth adding to the body of the article, but we ought to use one of Hu at a more encyclopedically relevant age for the infobox. JArthur1984 (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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