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Chemical composition[edit]

Gspurzem added the content below, among other changes, which I reverted for the reasons given. Value of the edits is up for discussion as needed. --Zefr (talk) 15:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Each humulone gives rise to two epimeric isohumulones, which are distinguished as cis-isohumulones and trans-isohumulones, depending on the spatial arrangement of the tertiary alcohol function at C(4) and the prenyl side chain at C(5). The terms trans and cis indicate that these groups point to opposite faces and to the same face of the five-membered ring, respectively." Edit: The above passage from Alpha acids is overkill jargon, and was rewritten per WP:NOTJOURNAL.

From the Flavonoids section: "In mice treated with 8-prenylnaringenin, the minimal concentration to produce a significant increase in vaginal mitosis was 100 μg/mL drinking water. No effect on uterine growth was observed at this concentration, roughly 400–1000-fold higher than the 8-prenylnaringenin concentration in beer. It seems therefore safe to assume that human exposure to phytoestrogens through beer consumption causes no detrimental health effects." Edit: This passage suggests safety for humans from research performed on mice. 8-PN has not been fully characterized or approved as safe for the human female reproductive system, so I reverted it per WP:PRIMARY.

History section should be revised[edit]

In the history section, the earliest use in brewing should be changed. A historical work of Jewish law, known as the "Talmud Bavli" or Babylonian Talmud, written/compiled early 3rd to early 6th century [1] mentions the use of hops in regards to the brewing of beer [2]. Being that the Talmud was compiled prior to the quoted earliest mention someone should change it. Shaikster (talk) 18:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC) Shaikster[reply]

Shaikster is wrong. The Talmud Bavli does NOT mention hops, but "cuscuta of the hizmé shrub", a Middle Eastern climbing plant of the dodder family, nor beer, but "shekar", meaning strong drink. Later rabbinical commentary in the 11th century was talking about hops, probably because they were more familiar with hops than cuscuta/dodder.

What DOES need changing is the mention of "earliest date for the use of hops": one paragraph gives a date in the 8th century, another says it was the 9th century. Neither gives a source for these claims. Zythophile (talk) 00:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 3, which supports Hildegard of Bingen, also supports 9th century, which is claimed earlier in the same sentence. I’m removing ‘citation needed'--if another citation should be included partway through the sentence, please somebody add it.

The 8th century claim is for hops cultivation, not hops use in beer, so there is no contradiction as currently written. Claudia (talk) 03:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ ("Talmud and Midrash (Judaism):: The making of the Talmuds: 3rd-6th century" encyclopedia Britannica. encyclopedia Britannica online. 2008. Retrieved 28, October 2013)
  2. ^ Schottenstien Babylonian Talmud English full size [#41] Vol. 1. Page 43B Ed. Rabbi Hersh Goldwurm. Brooklyn: Artscroll Mesorah Publicatons, 1993. Print

Production chart[edit]

U.S. production reportedly ranks No. 1 due to poor crop in Germany in 2015. Sca (talk) 16:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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Why two topics with different titles regarding this plant in Enlish[edit]

Just curious. In the English Wikipedia, why two topics on this plant? One topic under the common name (Hops) and the other under the scientific name (Humulus lupulus)? I would think just one topic Humulus lupulus, and redirection from Hops to Humulus lupulus. I came here (Hops) looking for the Spanish name, but the Spanish topic (and other languages) are labeled by the scientific name, so no link from Hops to the Spanish Humulus lupulus which is linked to the English Humulus lupulus. Merely curious. --Catrachos (talk) 02:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The history section is still a mess[edit]

The history section remains a mess, because it is relying on sources that are themselves inaccurate and confused. The claim in HS Corran's book that hops are mentioned being used in beer in 1079 is supposedly from something written by Hildegard of Bingen - but Hildegard wasn't born until 1098. She died in 1179. See my book Beer: The Story of the Pint, p281. The claim by Unger that 'hops were condemned as late as 1519 as a "wicked and pernicious weed"' is nonsense and should be deleted: no such condemnation is to be found. This is all, of course, my original research, but you can find my debunking of Unger's story here Zythophile (talk) 03:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Bale Breaker Brewing Company" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Bale Breaker Brewing Company. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 9#Bale Breaker Brewing Company until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humulus_lupulus[edit]

2 pages for the same object : someone should merge them. 185.215.65.24 (talk) 15:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion to merge hops has been actioned. Go to the Discussion on the Merge template to make a case. Ex nihil (talk) 16:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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