Talk:Homelessness in Canada

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The myths section is biased, agenda based, un-encyclopedic and poorly sourced. --72.84.88.132 (talk) 10:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Some right wing bigot has larded the entry with derogatory language. Roedyg 12:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Roedy Green[reply]

"Less than 20% of the homeless have drug or alcohol abuse problems. Almost half of all homeless people have jobs."

I would like to see these statements attributed. They just don't seem to jive with the reality I see on the ground in my job working at a homeless shelter. Perhaps the situation here in London On. is not reflective of the general problem in Canada, but I would say that easily more then 50% of my clients are dealing with addiction problems. and far less then half are heading out to work on any given morning.
I don't feel that Jack Layton is creditable enough to be the soul source on homelessness in canada.
I realise that I am offering little more then my own opinions, but I would like to see a few more sources cited. I'll come back to this with some more sources later.--Mike McGregor (Can) 08:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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It's important to remember that in Canada homelessness statistics include both those with no shelter and those with inadequate shelter. Those squatting in abandoned buildings or in over crowded accommodations are counted as homeless. The homeless who use shelters, and those who are visible on the street, have far higher rates of mental illness and addiction. -- SimonP 14:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm going to start looking for HIFIS data and summaries of the commmunity reports that were prepaired as to evaluate SCPI.. I'll try to brainstorm some other sources in the this week. (I'll have lots of time while I'm 'working' the overnights...)--Mike McGregor (Can) 03:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not having much luck finding stats or info at this time, so I'm going to take the notice thingy down and come back to this later... Mike McGregor (Can) 09:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Quote from Deinstitutionalization: "While most of those discharged did integrate with the community, a significant number estimated at around 75% did not." It does not make sense that it is saying that most of those discharged did integrate with the community, when most would imply over 50%, instead of 25%.

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Homeless people are under big problems. But most of the time, people don't care about them. We need to stand up and start doing our job. We need to act like rightful citizens of Canada! Many people just start rumors about them and post youtube videos that give the world a misunderstanding of homeless people. The people who aren't like that don't get a chance in life. We need to put an end to this poverty!! We need to be proud citizens of Canada! We need to start Action Plan 2016!!!!!

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Immigration as a contributing factor[edit]

The discussion page of the article Canadians of convenience addresses the CPRN paper. I have neither the time, nor the inclination, to tackle a brooded article. Adamant myopia needs the intervention of objective & informed third parties.
As for the Statistics Canada paper on low-income rates, it is tackling low-income as a relative measure. It addresses neither homelessness nor incomes at, or resulting in, such an outcome. To wit, it states that this rate showed a larger increase amongst the university-educated! --P00r (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this section. None of the cites gives any evidence that immigrants are more likely to be homeless than native born Canadians. In fact the opposite is true, as discussed in detail in this Globe article. - SimonP (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The title of the section is called "Lack of low-income housing". Do you need more citations that immigrants are more likely to use subsidized housing (in addition to the one you deleted)? That is easy if that is the concern. Deet (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First off your links don't even indicate that immigrants use more subsidized housing. They simply say that they have a greater need for it, not that they use it. For this section to stay we need actual evidence that immigrants have in recent years taken up a larger share of Canada's subsidized housing. - SimonP (talk) 03:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, this is one of the hardest facts in the entire section, which is otherwise full of anecdotes and theories. 45% of Torontonians are foreign born and the paragraph points out that they have over twice the need for subsidized housing, spot on relevant in a section regarding the lack of subsidized housing. I didn't invent the section, just pointed out an important element. Deet (talk) 09:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is its original research. You could use the same numbers to prove that immigrants are more likely to be homeless than native Canadians, but then if you look at the facts you find they are actually less likely to be. Without evidence, we don't know if the same thing is the case with subsidized housing. - SimonP (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You could say the same thing about virtually any paragraph in the article (which, even if there were citations, are all anecdotal). Deet (talk) 04:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well as a person that has lived on the streets ,myself I have hardly ever seen a immigrant homeless. The Canadian born people have to wait years for proper housing in Toronto up to 10 yrs but immigrants come in and get housing right away . I am not a hater of immigrants at all but when is Cananda going to say enough is enough we have enough people in this country that has a hard enough time putting food on the table and covering the rent ,and that includes new people that have come to live in Canada. lesliecia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesliecia (talk • contribs) 19:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

Which sections is the copyright violation supposed to cover? It seems to have removed the reference and external links sections, is this intentional? SmileyLlama (talk) 14:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Homelessness Count[edit]

Some parts of this section are contradictory and confusing - for example, in the homelessness count section it states that the core number of homeless people was "200,000 in 2005, or about 10 per cent of the population". 10% of what population? 200,000 is not even 1% of the Canadian population, and it is unclear what other population could be referred to here. It is also unclear what the definition of "annually homeless" is - how does this differ from "core homeless"? If they refer to the same thing, then why are the estimates so different? SmileyLlama (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Revisiting the same critical questioning of this section 9 years later, the facts and figures written here still remain obfuscated and contradictory, with the cited source material not being easily accessible to reference the claims.
"Homeless advocates estimated it to be closer to 20,000 annually, or 30,000 on any given night plus those in the hidden homeless category. This includes 6,000 youth nightly and 30,000 youth annually."
The numerical figures that are presented in this section as authoritative fact, leaves the reader with an unclear understanding of what conditions are factored into the nightly verse annual categorization and how seemingly their can be a higher nightly than annual reported total. JanLannger55 (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Myths section[edit]

The "myths" in the myths section should be moved into another relevant section, or removed entirely - even if the claims made are sourced and correct, there is no evidence or reason to believe that there are myths that contradict the information in this section. SmileyLlama (talk) 14:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Homelessness is not necessarily a economic issue?[edit]

Please participate in Talk:Homelessness_in_Vancouver#Homelessness is not necessarily a economic issue? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me[reply]

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Copyright violation from 2014?[edit]

What is the process for removing the copyright violation template? The entire section on public policy was deleted.

This maintenance template was placed on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homelessness_in_Canada&oldid=612321834 15:22, June 10, 2014 by User:66.183.151.75 ? (→‎Public Policy) User: 66.183.151.75 stopped editing in 2015 and was not an administrator. They made minor 113 edits over a two-year period. Oceanflynn (talk) 03:50, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is the deleted content. The first two paragraphs appear to be from The Multimedia Encyclopedia of Women in Today's World in the section "Housing, Effects on women's health (Canada)" [1] The reference could have been added instead of deleting the entire section. The paragraph on the Exiting Process" as suggested by Karabanow is essay-like but not a copyright violation.

The National Homeless Initiative (NHI), created in 1999, was the federal secretariat most directly responsible for homelessness matters until its closure in 2007. The NHI was created to fund transitional housing and a range of services for homeless people across the country. NHI funded the federal program Supporting Community Partnerships Initiative (SCPI) which covered the costs of temporary shelters and services for the homeless.[20]
The federal government replaced the NHI with the Homelessness Partnering Strategy (HPS) which was allocated to spend $270 million between 2007 and 2009[2] In September 2008, the Government of Canada announced that it would set aside funding for housing and homelessness programs of $387.9 million per year for the next five years[21]
Canada is one of the few countries in the world without a national housing strategy (United Nations, 2009). Many of the federal governments' expenditures are cost-sharing, one-time only funding initiatives that lack long-term leadership on homelessness. The United Nations has also noted the lack of information on these expenditures, including the number of houses produced.[11]
Housing has been declared a fundamental human right. Canada helped to draft the 1948 UN Declaration of Human Rights that includes a right to access housing in Article 25. Canada also ratified the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights in 1976, which recognizes an adequate standard of living, including housing, in Article 11.[22]
Homeless advocates maintain that government funding should be spent on securing affordable housing versus funding more homelessness programs.[2]
An "Exiting Process" as suggested by Karabanow in 2009, provides a detailed flow chart of steps for an individual to "exit" homelessness. There are six individual steps in the process, each of which can interact and flow into the next. The steps are not mutually exclusive or exhaustive, they simply offer a framework for individuals to attempt; in reality it may take several attempts for an individual to truly eradicate the issues which caused them to be homeless in the first place. The first step in Karabanow's process is called Precipitating Factors and involves becoming disenchanted with street life and beginning to experience boredom with the street lifestyle. The second step is called Courage to Change and involves having increased responsibilities including becoming more involved and connected with family members or people who really care. The next step is Securing Help which involves using services, detox treatments or drop-in clinics. This step also includes searching for a permanent residence using supportive housing or structured programs. This step may also include becoming involved in school again. The next step is labeled as a transition phase. This step includes aspect of individual growth and change in scenery, including a proposed increase in self-esteem and building a network of non-street associates and activities. Factors that would help this stage along include finding a sympathetic landlord or employer to aid in the slow process of cutting ties to the street life world. The next step is called Change in Routine and involves just that. This step includes solidifying employment, a residence and possibly attending school. The individual at this point should be focusing on future plans and appear happier, healthier and more driven. At this point in the process the individual may also be relying on social assistance to stay on track. The last step is aptly named "Successful Exiting". This is the last stage of Karabanow's proposal and involves being in control of one's life and having direction and stability. The individual at this point should be able to fully care for themselves and have a dramatic increase in self-esteem, pride, and enjoyment in one's life.[23]

References

  1. ^ Mary Zeiss Stange; Carol K. Oyster; Jane E. Sloan (2013). The Multimedia Encyclopedia of Women in Today's World. Sage. The National Homeless Initiative (NHI), created in 1999, was the federal secretariat directly responsible for handling the issue of homelessness until its closure in 2007. The NHI was created to fund transitional housing and a range of services for homeless people across the country. The National Homeless Initiative (NHI), created in 1999, was the federal secretariat most directly responsible for homelessness matters until its closure in 2007. The NHI was created to fund transitional housing and a range of services for homeless people across the country. NHI funded the federal program Supporting Community Partnerships Initiative (SCPI) which covered the costs of temporary shelters and services for the homeless. The federal government replaced the NHI with the Homelessness Partnering Strategy (HPS) which was allocated to spend $270 million between 2007 and 2009. In September 2008, the Government of Canada announced that it would set aside funding for housing and homelessness programs of $387.9 million per year for the next five years.

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