Talk:Hohlgangsanlage 8

A fact from Hohlgangsanlage 8 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 May 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Höhlgangsanlage 8, built in Jersey during World War II under the occupation of the Channel Islands by German forces, was a partially completed underground hospital complex with over 1 km of tunnels?

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2006[edit]

I think the correct term is “Hohlgangsanlage” from “hohl” - “hollow”, not from “Höhle”-“Cave”. Google shows no matches for “Höhlgangsanlage” on german sites. Rosentredere 19:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not so sure about this sentance[edit]

"Ho8 fell into disuse, with British soldiers and souvenir hunters stripping the tunnels of equipment." I am not sure that this happened to Ho8 as I'm quite sure that it was open to the public almost immediately after the occupation (Fdsdh1 (talk) 18:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Today[edit]

I have expanded the section about the tunnels today
someone needs to find out opening times and put them in the infobox (Fdsdh1 (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Sorry Brits, you have been fooled[edit]

Sorry Brits, we know that our ö's, ä's and ü's tickle your envy, but "Höhlgangs-" is outright silly. "Höhl" is not a German word (except as the imperative form of "höhlen" , to excavate, which is a very unusual word except in the compounded form "aushöhlen"), and "höhl" as a part of a compound noun such as "Höhlgangsanlage" makes no sense. "Höhle" means "cave" and in that case it would be "Höhlengangs-", which makes a little more sense. "Hohl" means "hollow", and in that case it would have to be "Hohlgangs-" which does not look overly plausible either. So, kindly check your facts and keep in mind that those cute umlauts bear a meaning beyond looking nice and German. 87.122.14.230 19:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Hohlgangsanlage is a real word, check here http://www.atlantikwall.info/abkuerz.htm , it’s also written that way here http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/have_your_say/underground_hospital.shtml. But for some reason the official Site http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/media/ho8_brief.aspx uses Höhlgangsanlage. Rosentredere 20:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.atlantikwall.info/abkuerz.htm looks plausible, and it's possible that "hohlgangsanlage" is actually some kind of Wehrmacht-speak, but still "höhlgangs-" is nonsense. Please move this to "hohlgangsanlage", as the current title can not possibly be correct. 87.122.29.177 20:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quote: "Höhlgangsanlage 8 (meaning literally ‘shelter cave 8’)" from [1]. Not claiming they're definately right, I wouldn't know.Danrok (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen original documents, albeit photocopies of them which clearly say Hohlgangsanlage. Hohlgangsanlage is a name given uniquely to the Channel Islands due to the appearence of the granite/shale in the unlined tunnels. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC))[reply]

What type of documents are these? And what was the exact spelling? "Höhl..." or "Hohl..."? The word is in any case, a given name, which may or may not make sense to modern German speakers. If you have references for the documents and they're reliable sources, then you can probably use them as a citation for the name. Danrok (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

there is a photocopy of the OT plans for Ho1 & Ho2 in 'Jersey's German Tunnels' there is a whole section in the book explaining thier unusual name "the surviving records show that in the paralance of the German Fortress Engineers, the Channel Islands Tunnels were always referred to as 'Hohlgansanlagen' or 'cave passage-installations (abbreviated to 'Ho'), and 'cave' is a very apt description for the unlined sections of the Germans excavations, anyone who has seen them will readily agree." and I have been in one of the uncompleted tunnels and they do look like caves. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 19:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Relevance of the Noel drawing[edit]

Does anyone know the relevance of the Noel drawing? At present, its inclusion in the article doesn't add anything about Ho8. Why is it important? --Badger151 (talk) 20:38, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, prehaps displaying the picture would help avoid confusion (Fdsdh1 (talk) 14:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Coordinate error[edit]

{{geodata-check}} The coordinates need the following fixes:

49°12'37.85"N 2° 9'15.96"W ({{coord|49|12|37.85|N|2|9|15.96|W}})(ref http://www.trivago.co.uk/st-lawrence-93876/museum--exhibition--gallery/jersey-war-tunnels-821816 )

Topspoke (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BrainMarble (talk) 22:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 April 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus - there were no arguments except a change in Official name to support the move. The other support provided no evidence either. The sole oppose is thus enough to come at a no consensus. (non-admin closure) -- Yashovardhan (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hohlgangsanlage 8 → Jersey War Tunnels – The official name has been now changed to Jersey War Tunnels, with the mention that it was previously known as Höhlgangsanlage 8. Their own website and social media accounts reflect the rebrand. https://www.jerseywartunnels.com/ https://www.facebook.com/jerseywartunnels/ Rekawilson (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 23:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- per WP:COMMONNAME. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment:Nomination seems based purely on the official name having changed in primary sources. Only !vote to date gives no evidence. Andrewa (talk) 23:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the name as Hohlgangsanlage 8. Jersey War Tunnels ltd is the name of the organisation operating a museum in the tunnels, it is not the name of the tunnel, and the article is mostly about the tunnel. Danrok (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.