Talk:History of the steel industry (1850–1970)

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Comment[edit]

This is potentially a useful page, but needs a wider focus. If it is intended to be limited to after 1860, that should be in the title. My concern is that we seem to get too many parallel articles covering the same ground, and occasionally contradicting each other. I have merged several such texts into a new History of Ferrous Metallurgy. Could you ensure that your work is adequately linked to articles on related subjects, so that people expand existing articles, rather than repeating (or even contradicting) what appears elsewhere? We already have articles on steel and steelmaking, the former having a historical section. Peterkingiron 10:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

good suggestions. This article is primarily business history and only secondarily about the technology and metallurgy (which it will link to). It will start about 1860 but will link to articles on earlier eras as appropriate. The article steel (to which I added a bibliography) is 95% about technology and does not attempt to address business, economic and social dimensions. For example there is not a word on labor issues, unions, strikes etc. There is not a word on economics like cost, prices, tariffs, nationalization etc, nor attention to the major companies. Nor should there be--these non-technology topics should be treated here. The bibliography shows the direction this article is headed, and it will eventually be a long one, covering the major countries over the last 150 years. (one change, the production graph is a nice one and should be moved here.) Rjensen 10:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not want to dissuade you, merely to prevent duplication. Some of the articles that I mentioned above may be weak on this period (even on technology), please feel free to improve them. I am adding a short introductory section, which may help to prevent the subject straying. Peterkingiron 12:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current developments?[edit]

What about the industry now? The article should continue beyond the early 1900s. --124.82.4.112 03:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

British steel industry[edit]

For a world wide overview of the developments since 1850 it appears to miss out a major part of the industry for a large period of time, less so now that Corus has been sold out to the Indian firm Tata. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 22:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asian perspective needs expansion[edit]

Japan makes more steel than the USA. Nobody has anything to say about that here? How about China? No? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.98.209 (talk • contribs)

Merge proposal: Global steel industry trends[edit]

While on the face of it, the proposal looks attractive, the two articles are in fact dealing with different issues. That one concerns changes globally over the past 30-40 years; this one is in fact about the emergence of the modern industry in the late 19th/early 20th century. On the other hand, this article was started by a editor who lost interest and has never adequately been finished, swo that great gaps exist in coverage, with the result that in its present state this article is throoughly unsatisfactory. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I see what you are saying, one is historical and the other is current. Instead I might recommend merging steel production by country into global steel industry trends. Wizard191 (talk) 00:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Fall of US Steel[edit]

The decline of US Steel's dominance in the market is explained in the article as follows:

After 1970 the company could no longer compete effectively with low-wage producers elsewhere. Imports and mini-mills undercut its sales - see also steel crisis.

Certainly, cheaper imported steel was a significant factor, but it wasn't the only one. As the article on the Steel Crisis that this paragraph cites explains, the steel crisis had multiple causes, including the overall recession of the 1970's, the 1973 Oil Crisis, and the post World War II drops in the price "as the market became saturated with steel." Also, there is currently no explanation about the mini-mills. Ileanadu (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded coverage[edit]

I expanded the coverage by copying text from Citizendium, which is a CC by SA 3.0 source so copying is allowed. I used the Revision as of 02:44, 11 July 2007]. I am also adding new material now (in 2013). Note that parts of that article came from Wikipedia's article on Andrew Carnegie. Note also that several years later about 2010) a Ukrainian business website copied the same Citizendium page to its own website called "tradeforecast"]. That tradeforecast site began operation in 2009, and is not the source of the text. Citizendium 2007 is the source. Rjensen (talk) 05:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 6 February 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the suggested title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

History of the steel industry (1850–1970) → History of steel – Better for search engine to find Vorpzn (talk) 10:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about...History of mass produced steel, per the wording on the Steel page: "Steel was produced in bloomery furnaces for thousands of years, but its large-scale, industrial use only began after more efficient production methods were devised in the 17th century, with the production of blister steel and then crucible steel. With the invention of the Bessemer process in the mid-19th century, a new era of mass-produced steel began." Steel has been around for thousands of years, but since this page is about the production of steel from 1850 on, "History of mass produced steel" seems to cover all bases. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nothing wrong with the present title. Steel was around a lot earlier than 1850. Also note the existence of History of the steel industry (1970–present) (also mass-produced steel, of course) and Ferrous metallurgy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:07, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is a difference between the history of a material, and its industry. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Industry" is needed._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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