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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023[edit]

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This line is misleading and inaccurate, 'Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers,'.

According to another wikipedia article, '[The] first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BCE ancient Greece, when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)#:~:text=The%20first%20clear%20use%20of,Judean%20mountains%20and%20the%20Jordan

Which means that Palestine would not have been the birthplace of Judaism.

It also was not named Palestine when Christianity was formed. It was called Judea.

It is misleading to say that Palestine is where these were formed. Raconcilio (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done This article is about the history of the region customarily known as Palestine (approximately, the area of the Mandate). It isn't restricted to times in history when the actual word "Palestine" was used. In fact it starts at a time when we have no idea what the locals called it. Zero^talk 12:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good point, so the article should be titled "History of the *Region* Palestine," changes should be made to either correct the title of the article or to the passage itself: "The region known by some today as Palestine is the birthplace..." Otherwise this would be similar to writing "The United States, the birthplace of the Cherokee people..." on the article regarding the Cherokee people. It's simply poor English at best, malicious writing at worst. 47.35.202.1 (talk) 03:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Muhammad united the tribes of Arabia into a religious polity, a caliphate, whose domains he and his successors extended into a vast empire through holy war (jihad).[296][ci] They conquered Palestine in 636 to 640.[247][cii][c

Change "through holy war (jihad)" to "through military conquest, trade, pilgrimage, and missionaries"

Jihad here is translated as holy war, but that is not the definition.

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^[3] M 07464 (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Spintendo 23:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Use of word Palestine to call the region[edit]

Tell me if I am wrong bur isn’t the region only called Palestine once the Roman name it Palestina Syria ? Shoudnt there be an intro saying - for easier reading we will call the region Palestine but be aware the name only appeared in the Roman era after Christ ? Aggy92600 (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. The first mention of the Palestinian people was found on the wall of an Egyptian tomb, written between 1200-1150 BCE. They are referred to as PLST 65.57.163.130 (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There should be a year notation added to the Second paragraph of the Section on 'Early Israelites and Philistines'

This would change the current version; "Sometime in the 12th century, the Philistines..."

to be this instead; "Sometime in the 12th century BCE, the Philistines..." PcKernel (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Year Notations[edit]

There should be a year notation added to all year references in the section "Hasmonean period"

This would change the current version of the first paragraph; "In 167, Antiochus IV issued an edict..."

To be this instead; "In 167 BCE, Antiochus IV issued an edict..."

The second paragraph of the current version; "In 164 Antiochus IV (or his son Antiochus V) rescinded the edict..."

To be this instead; "In 164 BCE Antiochus IV (or his son Antiochus V) rescinded the edict..."

The final sentence of the third paragraph of the current version; "...Simon's diplomacy paid off and around 140 Judea was de facto independent."

To be this instead; ""...Simon's diplomacy paid off and around 140 BCE Judea was de facto independent."

And in the fourth paragraph of the current version; "The Seleucid's continued infighting gave Judea free reigns and from 130 it began to conquer its neighbors. Non-Jews in conquered territory were forcibly converted to Judaism, expelled or made to pay tribute.[167] The Edomites became Jewish,[168] and the Samaritan temple at Mount Gerizim was destroyed.[169] By 100, Judea included the entire Palestinian hinterland from the Galilee in the north to the Negev in the south.[170] From 100 to 70 the Hasmoneans conquered many poleis along the coast and in the Transjordan.[171] The warfare and associated plunder made both the Hasmonean kings and Jerusalem's temple institution incredibly rich.[172][lxii]

To be this instead; "The Seleucid's continued infighting gave Judea free reigns and from 130 BCE it began to conquer its neighbors. Non-Jews in conquered territory were forcibly converted to Judaism, expelled or made to pay tribute.[167] The Edomites became Jewish,[168] and the Samaritan temple at Mount Gerizim was destroyed.[169] By 100 BCE, Judea included the entire Palestinian hinterland from the Galilee in the north to the Negev in the south.[170] From 100 BCE to 70 BCE the Hasmoneans conquered many poleis along the coast and in the Transjordan.[171] The warfare and associated plunder made both the Hasmonean kings and Jerusalem's temple institution incredibly rich.[172][lxii] PcKernel (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/publications/what-is-the-truth-about-american-muslims/misunderstood-termsandpractices#:~:text=%E2%80%9CJihad%E2%80%9D%20literally%20means%20striving%2C,make%20oneself%20a%20better%20person.

[2] ttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/what-does-jihad-really-mean-to-muslims

[3] ttps://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history/medieval-times/spread-of-islam/a/the-rise-of-islamic-empires-and-states#:~:text=Islam%20spread%20through%20military%20conquest,built%20imperial%20structures%20over%20time.

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