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Wikinfo:Cretan/Spartan connection FYI (Deleted by Wikipedians 6 Mar 2006.)

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I have corrected some various typos, such as Venezelos becoming Venizelos, etc... --Xenophonos 21:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section[edit]

This article could use a decent Wikipedia:Lead section to introduce and summarize the rest of the article. The same paragraph could be used as an overview in the Crete article, as described in Wikipedia:Summary style. Thanks! — Catherine\^talk 07:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

19th century population figures[edit]

One result of the Ottoman conquest was that a sizeable proportion of the population converted to Islam. Contemporary estimates vary, but on the eve of the Greek War of Independence as much as 45% of the population[1] of the island may have been Muslim. It declined sharply during the 19th century and there are conflicting estimates of its numbers, but according to British consular reports which are probably the most independent guesses, at the end of the nineteenth century, the Cretan Muslims still numbered around 100,000.

Apparently this does _not_ exist in the source claimed below, so unless someone comes up with a source that can even prove its existence as minority view, I'll remove it this afternoon. Enough is enough. Miskin 06:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was added by User:Barchard on 26 February 2006 and remained since. [1] I added the William Yale source but kept the percentage stated. Since there were two sources (one of them Greek) that confirmed each other, I felt comfortable with it.

According to William Yale, when the Greek War of Independence broke out on the mainland in 1821, the population of Crete was approximately 290,000, of whom 160,000 were Moslems and 130,000 were Christians; and the overwhelming majority of these were Greek-speaking Cretans [2] Excerpts from The Near East: A modern history by William Yale (Ann Arbor, The University of Michigan Press, 1958)

One Greek source notes that, had it not been for the Greek War of Independece, the island would have been completely Islamicized. A Greek point of view on Cretan Turks

How do we make sure that Apparently this does _not_ exist in the source claimed below? The two sources above are a click away and one of them is British and the other is Greek.

User:Cretanforever

Please stick to the article content in discussions. You checked William Yale's book, and the Greek site uses a figure of speech. I will check also. User:Cretanforever

See my last edits in order to realise what was wrong with yours. Miskin 10:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From the Venetian / Ottoman section: "Crete was an impoverished and backward island" <-- this is a judgement call and has no place in the article, please see to it that more neutral language is used. Thank you. - mjf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.164.243 (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Dorian Crete![edit]

Böri (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Crete strong bias[edit]

The article appears to somehow defy history. Having had a father and uncles in the battle, let us say what it was. It was a total rout and a disaster for the New Zealand troops there anyway. I am probably too emotionally involved to participate, but let us acknowledge that this was a big win for the Germans. As for my family, they felt nothing but disgrace, as defeated soldiers always do. Wallie (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was a Pyrrhic Victory for the Germans, as they suffered a heavy loss of para-troopers and they never again attempted a major air-lift operation. Thus, it is unfair to say that N.Z. soldiers were lost in vain. --Euzen (talk) 12:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, the Maoris are still talked about today. After the Maoris ran out of ammo they charged the invaders. They are considered the bravest of the brave and ultimate warriors as they deserve to be. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 15:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So I added the official NZ history - see especially the history of the Maori battalion --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minos[edit]

In his book Leonard Cottrell gives plausible evidence that Minos was a Greek and therefore part of the Classical Greek invasion, post Thera eruption.

If correct this means that the Cretan civilisation before the Greek take over is mislabelled.AT Kunene (talk) 09:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General layout[edit]

Muddled - items out of order. Why does it end at the German occupation? --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Added short section on liberation --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arrival of Prince George 1898[edit]

The date stated for the arrival of Prince George, 9th December 1898, is given in the Julian calendar rather than the then more commonly used Gregorian. In 1898, the Julian was still used by Greece and Russia, but according to most of the European Powers who put George in place, he arrived on 21st December 1898.Mickmct (talk) 18:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:History of Crete/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs citations and copy-editing.--Yannismarou 10:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 10:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 17:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Aceramic Knossos?[edit]

The article claims that Knossos is aceramic, but most references talk of ceramic production and trade at Knossos. http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/15074/

Every site is aceramic until it becomes ceramic, and I think the original author may have misinterpreted the aceramic period of Knosses to mean Knossos was aceramic, which it clearly wasn't.

I am suggesting the change should it be supported.

Historyoftheworldpodcast (talk) 23:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Historic disaster Remembered World-Wide in Myth[edit]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/greeks/minoan_01.shtml DavidLJ (talk) 09:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a separate Wikipedia article entitled "Minoan Eruption," but I would have thought that its mythi valence would make it worth a brief reference in this article, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidLJ (talk • contribs) 09:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]