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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong divulged the Communist party's previously unknown history to American journalist Helen Foster Snow in 1937 for widespread publication?

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Apologies[edit]

This deserves fuller treatment. I will try to return! cwh 05:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Several sources identify Helen Foster Snow (Nym Wales) as a Communist Party member. M. Stanton Evans in his book on McCarthy identifies her as such but without source. Other sources are to be found (www.wwu.edu/~kaplan/H370/rp42.pdf)"Marxism's Second arrival and the first 2 decades of chinese communism", etc.. There is no question that Snow was a "dedicated supporter of the chinese communist revolution". (Quote from 2007 work from cambridge "Bonds across Borders) To not include this essential information on a biographical entry on Snow would be misleading and innacurate. Also beyond question is her participation in possibly the most damaging and evil agent of the communists involved in bringing the world's greatest mass murderer to power, the "Institute of Pacific Relations". Reference the multiple congressional inquiries regarding this matter. Whether Snow was stupid or a knowing agent of the communists is debatable, but that she was a communist and a sympathizer of these aims are adequately known. MEB

Party Member?[edit]

I took the liberty of changing back the assertion that she was a party member until we can find an actual source, while also strengthening the statements about her beliefs. Edward Kaplan's online study notes for his course, referred to as a source, offer only an assertion, with no further source, so it seems reasonable to go along with the biography by Kelly Long, which is well documented. Likewise, we need a source and details for her participation in the IPR. The article on the IPR would be the place to discuss its role in the Chinese Revolution. ch (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Findings on Helen Snow as "Party member" [restored][edit]

[I take the further liberty of restoring my comments of Feb 10 on this question which were deleted]

Thanks to this article I read M. Stanton Evans, Blacklisted by History.

Evans has two references to Helen Snow, under her pen name, Nym Wales. On page 113 there is a photo, with no mention of Party membership. On p 350 Evans does indeed say that the Snows were "revealed in Cold War records as agents of Communist interest (Snow as at best an obedient fellow traveler who took instruction from the Communist Party, Wales as an identified Party member). However, the note for this statement, note 7 (p.621), refers to Haldore Hanson, Humane Endeavor p. 37. On that page the only thing Hanson says is "I decided to join a group of professors and journalists in Peip'ing, headed by Edgar Snow and his wife, who were organizing a new political magazine."

Perhaps a footnote reference was out of order. The other references in this section of the Evans book are footnotes 2-6 to the Hanson book, and notes 1 and 8 to the "Tydings hearings," which are not Cold War records.

So unless further evidence comes to light, I suggest 1) that since Evans offers no evidence, the statement "identified Party member" is in fact unsubstantiated 2) that since the Evans book does not discuss the subject of the article, that we should cite it elsewhere, not here.

However, there is a larger question as to the most useful way of indicating to our users what we mean by such terms as "pro-Communist," "agents of Communist interest," "Communist sympathizer," "Communist spy," etc. etc. There were clearly paid and controlled Soviet spies, who should be so named. But general terms as "Communist sympathizer" should be followed by specifics so that readers can make up their own minds. I have tried to do that in the first para and in later sections, but would be pleased to try again if this doesn't work. cwh (talk) 08:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC) ch (talk)

Note: On November 11, 2009 in Cedar City, Utah. A statue of Helen will be unveiled. Dignitaries from China and the US Ambassador from China will be in attendance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.132.54 (talk) 05:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BYU?[edit]

Was she an alumnus of BYU? --Eustress (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No ch (talk) 16:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Helen Foster Snow/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Power~enwiki (talk · contribs) 22:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	A few minor issues that I've fixed.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	There's almost nothing about her life from 1945-1972 in the article. I'm not sure this period is discussed in the references. If Helen spent the rest of her life in Connecticut, developing an interest in family genealogy, drafting a novel, and writing short pieces on her experiences in China. is relevant, it should be clearer. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:19, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	No images. Are there any available? power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:19, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.