Talk:Heartless (Kanye West song)/GA2

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Reviewer: Zmbro (talk · contribs) 12:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]


I got you. – zmbro (talk) 12:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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Infobox and lead[edit]

  • "It was passed on to West from the recording of Jay-Z's eleventh studio album, The Blueprint 3 (2009)" I'm lost. Passed on from what?
  •  Done if this is specific enough? --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They often placed emphasis on his subject matter, while some critics praised the song's composition." → "Some praised its composition, while others emphasized its subject matter."
  •  Done with changes, especially since the subject matter emphasis is a part of "his performance" they focused on. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "At the 2010 BMI Pop Awards, it stood among the Award Winning Songs." Looking in the body it looks like it won more awards than this. Couldn't we generalize it?
  • I'm not sure what I should use for generalization since various types of awards were won; I solely listed this because I believe it is the most notable due to this song being pop, but if you have any suggestions for generalizing then tell me. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording[edit]

  • The first point I made above is somewhat made clearer here but it should be made much clearer in the lead. You don't wanna confuse the reader only three sentences in.
  • Shouldn't release info be kept for the actual release section?
  •  Not done the release parts here are only brief mentions when it is relevant, such as the single release date before West shared an alternate version which is not appropriate in the release section due to being only on his blog. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Going along with the previous comment, recording info is mentioned after release info, definitely doesn't flow that well chronologically
  •  Not done the section is titled background and recording so the background info should be first, plus recording stuff does not tie in with those parts and would disrupt the flow. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrics[edit]

  • Audio sample looks good
  • Rest looks solid
  • Amazing on both parts!! --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception[edit]

  • Honestly solid. No complaints here

Music video[edit]

  • "Before the technique of rotoscoped animation was used for the video, Williams shot the footage of West." Rearrange this so it reads the footage was shot then rotoscoped over
  • "after real people were recorded" wouldn't this be 'filmed'?
  • Link Art director and Visual effects supervisor
  • "On November 7, 2008, the music video was released." → "The music video was released on November 7, 2008."
  • You should mention the 2009 awards/noms before the Rolling Stone bit for flow' sake

Commercial performance[edit]

  • Looks good

Live performances[edit]

  • I find it kind of ironic that he felt proud to perform in front of Obama, who not even a few months later called him a jackass after he did that one thing :P
  • Haha I still remember that interview, even though I like both West and Obama! --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "medley of the song and "Pinocchio Story"" → "medley of "Heartless" and "Pinocchio Story""
  • "eight number" → "eighth number"?
  •  Done I seem to often forget adding little words like that on the end when typing quickly --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances in media[edit]

  • Love that South Park ep. I've loved all their Kanye parodies, especially "The Hobbit" xD
  • Oh man, that Gayfish joke went absolutely viral back in the day... --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "interpolates the song's chorus" we talking about "Heartless"?
  • Shouldn't some of these be in the covers section?
  • Only The Girl on the Train one, so I moved that now. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cover versions[edit]

  • "In early August of 2009," → "In early August 2009,"

Credits and personnel[edit]

  • Looks good

Charts/Certifications/Release history[edit]

  • Looks good

The Fray version[edit]

  • The guideline does mention that "if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes" and since this is so far down the article, I believe there is no violation. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Audio sample looks good
  • "airplay at radio" → "airplay on radio"
  •  Done with a change --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should move the chart stuff into the release para
  •  Not done reception refers to both the critical and commercial types --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kris Allen version[edit]

  • Same question about the links here
  • I still don't think so per earlier, also if a user goes to this page specifically to read about the Allen version then the links are sort of helpful remaining here. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we add a photo of Allen?
  • Not appropriate, as more than enough space is taken up by the infobox and sample. --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Audio sample again looks good

References[edit]

  • Make sure they all use first/last and not author (noticed a few)
  • Make sure everything's archived (quite a few missing)
  •  Done the only ones not archived are ones in templates that can't be and don't need to --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consequence was still Consequence of Sound in 2015 so fix that (ref 111)

Final thoughts[edit]

  • Well-written article. Should be a GA in no time. This is actually one of his songs that got me into him back in 2012. Kept this on loop my entire HS sophomore year. I remember hearing the Fray's version first so I was surprised to learn West wrote it. – zmbro (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zmbro Thanks for your dedication of time and kind comments, I have now implemented the necessary changes! --K. Peake 19:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kyle Peake Sick, happy to ✓ Pass. Ping me when you nominate 808s for good topic and I'll happily support. – zmbro (talk) 19:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Zmbro: Just added the nom now, also I'd recommend using article history for the talk pages of GAs like I edited in. --K. Peake 07:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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