Talk:Heart-Shaped Box/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: CrowzRSA 23:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (No OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments:

• Line 2, In Utero should have commas surrounding it (i.e. ,In Utero,)

  Fixed. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• Notes should not be "==Notes==," rather, "===Notes==="

• "Notes" sections aren't required to be subsections of larger sections. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
• Yes, but it would look more appropriate since their is a reference section containing information needed in the Notes section. CrowzRSA ^{00:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)}

• "Cobain forgot about the song for a while, but began working on it again when he and his wife Courtney Love moved to a house in the Hollywood Hills" (Origin and recording), really doesn't sound correct.

• What precisely sounds awkward about it? WesleyDodds (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• Well if it said something like "The song was written by Cobain, but was forgotten. Later he and his wife Courtney Love moved to a house in the Hollywood Hills, where they began working on the song again." CrowzRSA ^{22:13, 4 March 2010 (UTC)}

Rereading the sentence in conjuction with the one preceeding it, the meaning seems pretty clear. WesleyDodds (talk) 13:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• "Track listing," probably would look better and more organized if you followed this guide.

  The tracklist template is optional and is only recommended for complicated tracklists. I personally have always found it to be unnecessarily complex. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• ISBN 0-8264-1776-3 isn't valid.

• I was pretty sure that was correct, but a google search says there's a zero at the end instead of a 3. I'll check the book again soon. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• By any chance is it ISBN 0-8264-1776-0 ? CrowzRSA ^{21:35, 6 March 2010 (UTC)}

• ISBN number is corrected now. WesleyDodds (talk) 13:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC

Specific Comments

Lead

Origin and recording

• Perhaps add <ref name="Azerrad, p. 325"> to somewhere else in the 5th paragraph (This would just make the paragraph look more reliable to readers)
• (Par 3) Add link to demo (demo → [[Demo (music)|demo]]
• (Par 3) Add link to vocals (vocals → [[Singing|vocals]]
• (Par 3) Add link to bass (bass → [[Bass Guitar|bass]]
• (Par 3) Add link to guitar solo (guitar solo → [[guitar solo]]) (mabye)

• Good job on section: probably add one or two more sections tomorrow. CrowzRSA ^{22:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)}

I linked "demo" but not the others because they are common terms that don't require Wikilinks. I see nothing wrong with the placement of the citation. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• (Par 2) "the song actually appeared to be about Courtney Love." add in "to be about his wife, Courtney Love."

• Love is already introduced in the article, and thus does not require a modifier. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• (Par 2) Add link to Charles Cross (Charles Cross → Charles Cross)

• His name is already linked in the previous section. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• (Par 2) "Hey/Wait/I've," mabye these should appear "Hey/ Wait/ I've" or something. I'm not sure about this.

• There's no specified way for quoting lyrics Wikipedia. However, this is how I've always written them out in articles. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• (Par 2) Is "perceived by the media."a quote from the reference, because if it is it should be in quotes...

• CrowzRSA ^{21:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)}
• It's not a direct quote, it's a summary of what Cobain said. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Release

• Is the whole first half of the paragraph all mentioned in "Nirvana Set has Smell of Success"?

• Yep. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• "in early September 1993." maybe there should be an "of" between September and 1993.

• No, this is appropriate. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Add link to Billboard (I see it in the lead, but Modern Rock Tracks is too and it has a link.

• Simply removed the Modern Rock Tracks link for consistency. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe add how long the album was on the chart somewhere in the paragraph.

• There's no information available on this by reliable sources. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• "A single of the song was released" doesn't sound right at all. Change it to something like "The song was released as a single in the..."

• CrowzRSA ^{21:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)}
• I phrased it this way so it wouldn't start out the exact same way the sentence before it did. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

March 13th comments

These comments regard coverage of what I haven't given comments on. After these are responded to, it may be GA. I will finalize after all comments are resolved

• The In Utero extra track list in the infobox should be "studio," not "single"

• Fixed. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• The lead doesn't say anything about the music video, other than it's director's name and about it's reception.

• It's an adequate summary per lead section guidelines. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• "...received much American radio airplay.." mabye this would sound better "...received adequate airplay in the US..."

• "Adequate" doesn't correllate with the clause after it, which mentions it topped the Modern Rock chart. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Chart DOES meet WP:CHARTS
• The cover art has a white gash in the bottom left corner, that should be fixed (here is the complete image [1] (image resolution is currently good though)

• I know nothing about handling images on Wikipedia, so I have no idea how to upload a new version. Personally, the mark is almost unnoticeable to me, and didn't see it until you pointed it out.

• I fixed it. CrowzRSA ^{16:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)}

WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• The In Utero page says the songs length is 4:41, this says 4:39, they should probably be identicle.

• I'm trying to find my CD single of "Heart-Shaped Box" to see if it lists the track time. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah It does say 4:39

• Mabye this should be in the external links

• You can add it if you feel it's warranted. I have no opinion either way. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• CrowzRSA ^{23:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)}

Great job on the article, especially with finding references for everything. CrowzRSA ^{21:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)}