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Just learning how to contribute to Wikipedia. Please do not delete this page. Instead, kindly advise how to modify it properly.

It should be noted that I have also created a page about comic book artist Lee Harris (aka Harris Levey and Harris Levy). But if someone types Lee Harris' real name ("Harris Levey") into the wiki search engine, I want them to see a link to the Lee Harris comic book illustrator page. This is what I have tried to do with the page that is tagged to be deleted. Obviously I am doing something wrong. Please advise or feel free to make the needed changes so it confirms to the Wikipedia rules of conduct.

Thank you.

Jonathan

Hey there! I've removed the speedy deletion tag for the time being since you've asked for help. What you need to do is find some sources that you can use for references, and cite those for the information you provided in the article. I suggest WP:Reliable references for help. I'll be glad to help if you need a hand formatting them. Hope that helps! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 22:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see...you want Harris Levey to redirect to Lee Harris, right? Ok, that I'm not sure on how to do. I'll see if I can find out, though. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 22:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your speedy reply and kind offer of assistance Pianottech. I have a feeling that since my late father, Harris Levey, was best known for his Comic Book creations while at DC comics in the early and late 1940's, that I should somehow make his Bio more "findable" via the name he signed his comic book illustrations with "Lee Harris" (which was also his legal name at the time). In this way the Lee Harris page should have the title: Lee Harris (aka Harris Levy, Harris Levey: Comic Book illustrator/creator, DC Comics Air Wave, et al (circa 1941-1948).

Please help me to make this change properly and to ensure that some references are done in order to meet wiki's requirements/guidelines.

Many thanks!

Jonathan

I've asked an admin for help[edit]

Hi Jonathan, I asked for help on your page to make sure you get the right advice on what you're trying to do. OlEnglish is a good guy and will be able to help, I'm sure. I sent him this article link, so he'll probably reply here. Thanks, Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 23:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pianotech! Also, the Air Wave comic that my dad created has a page in Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Wave

If you look at this page, you with see on the right side fo the page a column entitled Publishers Information. Then below this heading there is a sub-title: Creators. Then in this sub-section yo will see my father's name listed (Lee Harris) but with no hyperlink to his bio. Can yo tell me how to modify his name on this page to hyperlink his name to the Wiki Bio that I am in the process of creating (with your help)?

Many thanks.

Jonathan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs) 23:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's done, I inserted a link to the page you're creating. Hopefully that's what you want? If you go into edit view of that page, you can see how I did it. Now...while we're on the subject, this will likely come up so we may as well get it over with. :) Do be vigilant to make sure your articles about your late father are neutral. One must be very careful if one has a close connection to the article subject to make sure no bias shows through. What an honor that your dad was an artist for DC! I know I'd definitely be proud. So just be alert to that; I'm sure you'll do fine. :) Also, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes (these things: ~). This automatically adds your signature and time stamp to the post and makes it easier to keep track of who said what and when. :) Let me know if what I did is what you wanted! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 23:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And a heads up also, you definitely need some references for both articles! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 23:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I found a ref to Toonopedia and will add it to both articles. If I find more I'll add them. If you find some and need help listing them, let me know and I'll be glad to help. :) Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 00:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Jonathan, at this point the article is still incomplete, in that it needs to be wikified, formatted, and references added to meet the verifiability policy. To that end, I have userfied the article (that means it was moved into a temporary page as a draft in your userspace) until it can be completed, this will give you more time to work on it and save it from deletion. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Writing better articles for help on improving your article to meet Wikipedia's standards, as well as using another biographical article as an example to follow. In addition since you have self-identified as being related to the subject, it is highly recommended that you read the page on conflict of interest. Once you feel you have a completed article, use the {{helpme}} template and I or another editor will come along and help you move it back into mainspace (ie "publish" it), and at that time they can also help you create a redirect from the name "Lee Harris" that will take readers directly to the "Harris Levey" article, which is very easy to do. But again, most importantly you must add reliable secondary sources that help establish the subject's notability. Let me know if you need any more help. -- Ϫ 00:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The page is at this link User:Jonathanlevey/Harris levey. -- Ϫ 00:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Old English. I think you have understood my request for help clearly and have posted my attempt to write a bio on Lee Harris correctly. Honestly, I am discouraged at this point because I am not technically inclined and find that the rules and regulations and the instructions on how to properly reference information is hard for me to follow. But I will not give up. But I may have to take a rest from it until next weekend. Will what I wrote stay posted in my drafts? Do you have any concrete suggestions on to how I should proceed? How can I give more references than I already have (ie. I have tried to post the links about Lee Harris being the recognized creator of Air Wave from the DC comics site and other online comic resources. Please advise. Thanks again for your extra time, thought and efforts. Jonathan Levey (talk) 00:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)Jonathan[reply]

Hi Jonathan, you're doing good so far. If you notice, you'll see that I added a reference to the article (I cited Toonopedia). I Googled your dad's real name and that was one of the links that came up. There are more; I'll add them as I find them. It may seem overwhelming, but don't give up! There's a very big community here that likes to help. :) Once the article is ready, then either OlEnglish or I can show you how to move it back into mainspace as a live article. With it in your userspace, you can work on it without worry that it'll be deleted. I've added this to my watchlist and will add references when I find them. :) Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 01:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Found another reference to DC Comics Artists and added it. That's two! Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 01:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ref to comics-db.com makes three refs from three sources showing he was an artist at DC. The article is well on its way. :) Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 01:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic Piano Tech. I am both very impressed (with your quick and helpful replies) and appreciative (of your many helpful efforts). As well, Old English has been equally as quick and helpful. What a team! :) I have also sent a request for help to a comic historian named Don Markstein at www.tooonopedia.com He also seems to be very knowledgeable about creating valid Wikipedia articles that meet the imoprtant Wiki criteria. Yo ucan see his bio on Wiki at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Markstein%27s_Toonopedia

So thanks again for moving this forward. How will I know when it is ready to "go live" and move from my draft section onto Wikipedia's regular site?

Jonathan Levey 01:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

That's great! Well, we'll be watching the article and helping. When you feel it's ready to submit, you can ask either/both of us to review it, or you can post it at WP:FEED. That is where you can post a link to your article and ask for feedback. Once you and a few others feel it is ready, then it's a simple matter to move it from your userspace to mainspace. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 01:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, PianoTech. Hope I can do all that when the time is right. But I know if I have trouble you are ready to help. :) Because Harris Levey was better known as Lee Harris (its the way he signed his DC comic book illustrations), do yo think we should create the main (searchable) title as: "Lee Harris" (aka Harris Levy, Harris Levey) DC Comic Book illustrator"

Please advise. Jonathan Levey 01:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

Hmm, tough one. It seems to me that for encyclopedic purposes, the article should be based on his real legal name, with the AKA referring to his pen name(s). You might want to get OlEnglish's opinion too. Two heads are better than one. :) Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 12:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Jonathan, When it comes to naming articles, Wikipedia:Article titles states: "Articles are normally titled using the most common English-language name of the subject of the article." It seems that in your case the most common name he goes by and the name most people know him by is "Lee Harris", so the main article should be titled as such.
Once the article is more-or-less complete and it's time to move it back into mainspace, that's when we shall move it to the new title: "Lee Harris", as well as create a redirect for "Harris Levey" which will take readers to the main article title when they type that name in the search box. So either way, whichever title you decide to choose for the article, readers will be able to find the article by typing in either name. I hope that helped. Let me know if you have any further questions. -- Ϫ 00:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How to cite references[edit]

Hey Jonathan! Article is shaping up quite nicely, if you don't mind my saying. :)

I noticed the last two references don't seem to be showing quite right, so if you don't mind, let me give you a quick tutorial.

Let's say you want to cite the sentence, "The cat is black" to a reference called "My Reference," and the url of the place is www.myreference.com. Here's how you would code it:

The cat is black.<ref name="myreference">[http://www.myreference.com My Reference]</ref>

The above code will produce this: 

The cat is black.[1]

The reference will automatically be added to the {{reflist}} section of the article. Get it? It's pretty simple. You'll be able to do it with your eyes closed once you do a couple. Well not really, but...:) Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any questions or need help. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 21:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you did it! Good job on the Tarantula ref. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great example to help me Piano Tech (ie. he cat is black.[1]

Thanks!!

Now if only I can figure out why th ename of the company does not appear in the reference list section. For some reason I was able to succeed with Bomstein Agency, but not with the others (ie. "Empire State University" , "The New York American Journal", etc.) --so they simply appears as footnoted numbers Please correct, if possible and advise. Jonathan Levey 01:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

Actually, I fixed the Bombstein Agency one for you. You had everything right except for one small part. In the ref, there is the bombstein url inside the brackets. At the end of the url, add a space and then how you want the ref to read and put that before the closing bracket. Like this: <ref name="BomsteinAgency">[http://www.bomstein.com/contact.php Bomstein Agency]</ref> See how I added Bomstein Agency at the end right before I closed the bracket and ref? When you do that, then the words Bombstein Agency will appear in your references section.

See? So, for the Empire State one, change this: <ref name="EmpireStateUniversity">[http://www.nyc.gr/ba_communications_eng]</ref> to this: <ref name="EmpireStateUniversity">[http://www.nyc.gr/ba_communications_eng Empire State University]</ref>. Then, the words Empire State University will also appear in your references section. Getting it? Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 01:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Yes, thanks to you I am finally getting it!:) Am I posting this message to yo in the right place Piano Tech? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs) 04:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I came over to the article this morning only to find that you got all the references fixed. Way to go! And yes, you're posting this in the right place. This page is on my watchlist, so any changes to it automatically show up. So, I can tell if you've left a message, etc. Coming along nicely! Now that you've conquered the references, you might want to consider adding some amenities to the article, such as an infobox; not absolutely necessary, but it does provide a nice finishing touch. And also, possibly the article could be broken down into a few sections for easier reading. Again, not totally necessary since the article is rather short; but those are things you might want to consider as you gain more confidence and increase your skills. And of course, I and others are ready and willing to help out. You've come a long way from where you were a few days ago, that's for sure! Oh one more reminder...remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ (4 tildes); this automatically puts your signature and time stamp. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 11:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the further encouragement PianoTech. I will likely work on this project evenings and weekends, as time allows. I will try to enhance the formatting (look) as you suggest, as well. Do I need to sin the bottom of my draft text each and every time I modify it? Or only when I psot a message here in my talk section, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs) 11:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You only sign when you are posting a talk thread, replying to one, etc. Helps everyone keep track of who said what when. :) You don't have to sign your draft text, just keep doing the edit summaries as you have been; that's helpful in seeing the article's edit history. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 12:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b My Reference

Article lead[edit]

Hi Jonathan, as per your invitation, I gave an example of how I would word the article's opening sentence so that it includes his claim to notability. I didn't delete anything, leaving that for you if you wish to, but was just showing an example of how I would word the opening. Since his birth/death dates appear in the infobox, it may not be necessary to include them in the article lead, though that is entirely up to you. Article is looking quite nice! The sections definitely improve its readability and the infobox is a nice touch. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 12:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citations and article improvement[edit]

I'm really trying to give the article a chance, I stumble upon it and an edit, but when I was looking at the edit history, I notice that most of the page editted by a single editor, whose name to be frank seemed, suspect. I started to look at the sources, and the first few a checked to Wikipedia, and I became more concerned. Of the sources that I found that actually commented on the work Levey has done in comics, Air Wave, his most notable creation is attributed to Mort Weisinger with Levey sidenote. The note regarding Lando is not a favorable citation regarding Levey's professional work.

As a casual wiki reader, I have trouble find anything notable as stands with Levey. I would suggest fleshing out the comics and the advertising sections. There really needs to be at least one or two good articles out there that actually comments on Levey as an artist. Best of luck. -Sharp962 (talk) 14:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Author has been completely open and honest on this talk page about being Harris Levey's son. He created this article in userspace and heeded the appropriate cautions re COI, and published only after I and another editor were satisfied, so it's not like he is trying to hide anything. He's made a good faith effort to call editors in to check his work (you included!) and make sure neutrality is being maintained. Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 22:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe Sharp962's primary concern is Levey's notability. More secondary sources that speak to his work as an artist, if they could be found, would help alleviate the problem. -- Ϫ 04:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More Constructive help and advice is Needed RE: Citations and article improvement[edit]

First of all, let me simply say... Many thanks for your good intentions and many efforts to improve the {{Harris Levey]]article, Sharp962. This is greatly appreciated. :) Of course, you are right, I connected to the person that the article is about (he is/was my fatehr), but I have tried very hard to remain objective and neutral, with coaching from the very kind and very knowledgeable Wiki editorial staff along the way. You are also right to suggest that the article could benefit greatly with additional citations and verifications. I will do my best in the weeks and months to come to add such documentation, but quite frankly, I am not very skilled at knowing what sources to use and how to upload them and will need to spend more time reading through the wonderfully helpful information that Wiki proves in terms of guidance to learn how to do this. IN the meantime, I am welcoming fellow Wiki members to help out in constructive ways to build up the verification process , not to delete the valuable content prior to it having the chance to be given the help it deserves to become fully authenticated. At this time, I would like to ask you for some tips. For example. I know Harris Levey illustrated and even created Lando Man of Magic, simply because I have his original drawings and recall him telling me clearly how he and worked (in real life) with Dante the magician and used this experience to create the character, Lando, Man of Magic. But how else can I verify this? Do you have a contact at DC comics that would have further proof? Or can you provide me with the name of a credible historian of DC comics that could help me to research and authenticate this claim with verifiable evidence? Would a hand written note form a DC comics editor or writer that recalled Harris Levey's creation of this character be helpful, if the letter is photographed as a PDF and linked to the Harris Levey article? Also, I know that Harris Levey drew the original Tarantula for DC Comics on April 14, 1941, because I recall him telling me this and I actually have the original black and white illustration with text and copyright and date and Harris Levey's name printed at the bottom of this document (signed by his legal name at the time, Leland Harris). If I photographed and uploaded a link to this image of this original artwork and text, would this help the credibility of this article? To make it even more credible, can you suggest the name of a known and respected research /historian of golden age comic illustrators, that could wither meet with me in person to view and authenticate this artwork or correspond further by email on this inquiry and request for further documentation? As for his work and achievements in the advertising field, would it help if I could get the presidents of the agencies he worked for to send me letters of verification, that Harris Levey worked for them and was recognized in his field with the various awards already highlighted in the article and the names of the top ad accounts he contributed to as lead art Director? I have an in-house magazine that the top Ad firm Foote Cone & Belding issued to all of its employees in 1979, recognizing the outstanding achievements of their creative art staff. Harris Levey is shown pictured on the cover of this magazine and there is a two page article on his creative work and more photos of him in hi office as well as numerous photos of the winning accounts that helped to create... would it be helpful for me to photograph this publication, save it as a PDF and upload a link so that Wiki viewers can read and view this publication? And since there is a a Painting scholarship tha twas established at Washington's Cocoran College of Art & Design, in memorandum of Harris Levey, shoul dI photograph a letter from the cocran school and upload this letter verifying this scholarship (established by the Bomstein Ad Agency just following Harris Levey's death? As for his contribution to WWII efforts, I have many photos that he took of the death camps, as the war wound down, documenting dead Prisoners in the German camps and photos of Harris Levey dressed in airforce photo gear in front of the planes that flew him over bombed out areas, which he photographed form the air, as well, and a group photo of Harris Levey in his Air Squadron 15 group, in a war bunker, etc. should I upload these? If I can find his College certificate from Empire State University, should I photograph and upload a link to this document to prove that he graduated, etc? At the Journal American, should photograph a list of employees names, with his among them and upload this? At his high school, DeWitt Clinton, should I try to secure a copy of this class graduating yearbook showing his photo among the graduates and ask the school to send me a letter verifying that he graduated (even though his graduation date is written into the Magpie illustration that is already uploaded into the article? Will this all help? Is this the way I should proceed? IN addition, should I put out a call for help to all Golden Age comic buffs (like you) to help in the further verification process? Should I write Stan Lee a letter, and ask him to recount his memories of my dad at high school and in during their times in the comic book industry (as they had communicated with one another and "may" have even worked together at a comic publication company prior to Harris Levey's work at DC Comics? At this stage, Sharp962, I would welcome your enthusiasm, positive energy and sage (wiki-oriented) advice and especially appreciate any additional active help yo can provide me with to enhance the paucity of verifications in this article, to date. IN fact, I want to thank you very much for your time, thought, and efforts to modify this article in many positive ways already :)and I look forward to your further contributions (and helpful advice). In fact, I have found several images of artwork that Harris Levey has been attributed to have created and I would like to know how to upload it into the article and if it is even worth uploading. If yo have a direct email address I will gladly send you these links and perhaps yo can help me to upload them, if appropriate (I believe they are> Many thanks in advance Sharp 962. And thanks in advance to anyone else that takes an interest on conducting further research to secure further verifications and contribute further towards enhancing this article, as PianoTech and Old English and a few others have already done :) In fact, let me ask PianoTech and Old English, now if (in addition to Sharp962's forthcoming help and advise, that they too might guide me by responding to my many novice questions above. Respectfully, still "green" (but very appreciative) wiki contributor, Jonathan Jonathan Levey 22:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanlevey (talk • contribs)

While heartfelt, nearly all contributions by Jonathanlevey; personal accounts, memories, and anectdotes are all original research, which is un-encylopediac material. Work samples (which accounts for the remaining "references") themselves are essentially unusable, as they are "primary" or "source material" and don't really comment on the work of the artist, in this case Levey.
While the response to additional sources is impassioned, here is where I think there is a conflict of interest. A son's personal counts may color the actually impact their father's work has had to their respected profession, let alone society. While working for DC is an impressive occupation, there have been well over hundreds comic books and series featuring Batman or Superman in their three-quarter century existence, which equates to hundreds of inkers, pencilers, and or colorists (not all who have had notable works in the industry). The comics industry, itself, not paramount in the general topics graced on Wikipedia.
Simply, work on DC comics is not notable in-and-of itself. So we must look to Levey's body of work. As a mentaphor, no one knows or cares about William T. Collins (read as "not notable for Wiki article"), but he created the Delorean automobile. Aside from the cultural impact of Back to the Future, the Delorean also points to commentary on the criminal justice system, the "War on Drugs," and the Northern Ireland sectarian violence; but Collins does not merit an article.
In short, to make this article work, one needs to find commentary (published articles, video,etc) from qualified sources (journals, reputable websites, etc.) on either Levey or his major works (Airwave or his "major ads accounts"). As I continue to revisit the article and related sources, I become more speculative that such things exist. If all that is left to build this article is personal recollection, that does not make your father or his works unimportant, but it may make it unencylopediac. -Sharp962 (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Just as a reference, this first article, Andrew Luke closely resembles the current Levey article, while an artist like George Pratt] who has won an Eisner (pointing to notability in the field) and a few external interviews reflects a more appropriate encylopediac tone. Take note the Pratt article focuses primarily on visual mediums, an even better exemplar (although with many more resource to work from) is Steve Purcell. -Sharp962 (talk) 23:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

From WP:Notability (creative professionals):

  • The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
  • The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
  • The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
  • The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

and from WP:Notability (any biography):

  • The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.

Now...it would seem to me that as the creator/co-creator of Air Wave for DC comics (unlike an inker or colorist, but creator/co-creator), he has "made a widely recognized contribution" in his field (comics/art). Creation of a classic character in a historic and classic comics publication would seem to satisfy these criteria. If not, why not? Pianotech Talk to me!/Contribs 00:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the links below will help to bolster the integrity and verifiability of this article on Harris Levey (aka Lee Harris, Leland Harris, Harris Levy). The link below shows a page that lists many of Harris Levey’s artworks for DC Comics and other comics World’s Finest Comics and Real Fact Comics, during the Golden Age of comics. This includes about 13 verifications as Penciller, and abnout 27 as artist for various comic characters , comprised mainly of Air Wave, but also other characters such as Rin-Tin-Tin and Lando Man of Magic. http://www.dcindexes.com/database/creator-details.php?creatorid=442

Rin-Tin-Tin: http://www.dcindexes.com/database/story-details.php?storyid=68857

Lando Man of Magic : http://www.dcindexes.com/database/story-details.php?storyid=5044

I have asked a fellow wiki editor (one that is much more skilled than me) to see if he might upload some (or all) of these links into the article to make the article stronger in terms of verification. Thanks for your patience and for everyone’s constructive input to date. Jonathan Levey (talk) 04:17, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My biggest suggestion is to write regarding the notability of specific works (eg Airwave) by Levey, and then any subsequent 3rd commentary regarding Levey AND the works. Lando is noted as a negligable character. The question rests on how notable is Airwave? I'm not sure if I agree with other editors that Airwave is standard in the superhero lexicon. The Levey version of Airwave has not been used in nearly 30 years, and is not the most notable version of the character. Currently, I strain to find anything compelling regarding any of the works of Levey. -Sharp962 (talk) 05:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I understand and respect your concerns Sharp962, I thought that since Harris Levey (aka Lee Harris) was the original artist/creator of Airwave that it merited recognition and a place on Wikipedia as a comic book artist that contributed his talent to the industry. He produced a body of work at DC comics and beyond (ie. in advertising). As mentioned above, the following is a link that cites some of his comic book illustration work and provides additional relevant links: http://www.dcindexes.com/database/creator-details.php?creatorid=442

Jonathan Levey (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitrary break[edit]

I'm not sure if a list citing Levey works at DC is going to be helpful. There is enough to substantiate he worked for DC, there is just not enough currently to point to that work being meaningful. A list of his works is not nearly as powerful as saying that one of his works was meaningful (quality over quantity). A reliable source commenting on one his works would be a great start. There were many awards listed, but nothing pointed to them being standards to the advertising profession (if you could reference at least 1 of those as being a professional pedigree, that would be a start). The article has been tagged for notability and referencing, hopefully this will notify vested editors to help the article find its niche. -Sharp962 (talk) 23:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Although I would discourage the use of any personal material as sources for this or other Levey articles, a personal picture of Harris Levey would be fully acceptable and encouraged. -Sharp962 (talk) 00:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Dear Sharp962, Thanks so much for your ongoing work and genuine interest to make this article more focused (ie. on Air Wave), more objectively written and for suggesting practical ways for it to measure up to the understandably high standards and best practices of Wikipedia. As for the advertising awards, if I were able to get a letter signed by the president of the ad company where Harris Levey worked and won the awards, then scan and upload a link to the image of this signed letter as a PDF file, would add to the credibility? Also, if I scan original artwork (ie. Harris Levey's DC Comic ink illustrations of the first Tarantula, and original color sheets form Air Wave, as well as a newsletter interview that was published in-house for Advertising employees that features Harris Levey), can I upload these scanned images onto the Wiki article? Or is this scanning and uploading of original artwork not helpful and (worse) not allowed by Wikipedia? Please advise and continue to modify the article as you (and other Wiki editors in the know, see fit. Also, please continue to post your helpful comments and suggestions on my article's Talk Page so that I can follow-up, asap. Unfortunately, I am about to move into a very heavy work schedule over the next 10-14 days, so it may be two full weeks before I can spend a ample amount of time to learn how to do the citations, source and upload third party citations, etc. So please see if yo can give this article more space and time to become properly Wikified. Still, I will try to check to check the article's talk page over the next week in the evenings and respond to any quick fixes, etc. I am hoping and guessing that, in addition to your thoughtful and knowledgeable input, since I have invited other experienced wiki editors with a true interest in comics (WPC group), to make their own modifications and suggestions and citations, etc., that perhaps this article will continue to take on even more neutrality and become stronger with verifications, etc. Again, many thanks Sharp962, for our many extra efforts and valuable input to date. As per your suggestion, I will try to have my mom send me a personal photo of Harris Levey. I may even have one of him with fellow DC illustrator, George Russo... would that be helpful? Unfortunately, finding these photos and scanning and uploading them may take some time. Jonathan Levey (talk) 02:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original art will add to the aesthetics; but even original art of liscenced characters would fall under fair-use. With 1 image as an example of Levey DC work already upload, it would be unneccessary and not a reflection of minimal use to add more (at least for DC). Original art has no value as a reference, and specifically from Jonathan Levey may be considered biased or original research, the same could be said about the advertising president letter.
Has Harris ever gotten an Eisner Award, been admitted to the Hall of Fame, or a Harvey? All of these are stand-out awards for artists in the comics profession. I believe the answer to these are all no, if only due to the time when Levey was working.
Looking for sources ask ... "What work of Harris Levey was so notable that a newspaper or magazine article was written about it?" This is different that having a work in a newspaper or magazine. -Sharp962 (talk) 03:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for your thought-filled responses, perspective and suggestions Sharp962. And thanks too for the time, extra efforts and contributions you have made to date to this article. I know that you are simply doing your due diligence,in the spirit of Wikipedia and it's mission and parameters, and I respect that. At this point, I will try to let you and your fellow experienced and knowledgeable wiki editors (especially those like yourself and senior Wiki Editor and WCP group member,Tenebrae), figure out how to bring the best in this article out. But please give it some time to solidify,a bit of breathing room... and at least consider discussing contentious points with others in the know, prior to deleting all the hard work to date that has gone into this article. Unless of course, this is too much to ask, and not the Wikipedia approach towards editing the articles of Newbies (like myself). Again, I will defer to the better judgment of others here (ie. other fellow WCP group members, in addition to experts like yourself, that also share a high level of expertise and respect for this area, knowledgeable in artists from the Golden Age Era of Comics. Jonathan Levey (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Comics contains articles on many, many comics creators who have not won Eisner or Harvey Awards, etc. And when we speak of the the work of the Golden Age creators, we must recognize that they're the foundation of the medium -- they were not just creating characters, they were creating the essential archetypes for all superhero characters, in particular, today. The fact that a version of his character exists -- just as modern-day versions of Blue Beetle, the Atom and other Golden Age characters exist -- speaks to the concept being notable. Consider that many Golden Age characters appeared a few times and no version of them ever continued. Air Wave did. Levey's years in the field made him a pioneer who helped create the form, and who collaborated with major figures. Historically, there is no question he is notable to the early days of comic books.--Tenebrae (talk) 04:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well put Air Wave arguement. -Sharp962 (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Why, thank you! That's very kind of you to say! --Tenebrae (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Just thought I'd throw a couple more in which are not really usable as they are, but might be worth exploring:

He get a mention in a history of Green Lantern [1] but the source is a 2014 Alter Ego (magazine) piece from his son, which might get too circular or it might give us a source we can use to draw on his son's recollections - him adding them here isn't on, but if they've been run through an interview in a WP:RS then it might be allowable. I'd imagine if they hadn't contributed here, that we might use something similar for background on other creators. However, I don't have the original article, so I can't comment on its worth as a source, but I suspect someone around here might have access.

On the advertising front I found this which seems to contain a profile of his work in that field, but you'd need to find a well stocked library. Emperor (talk) 20:56, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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