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Tables[edit]

Untitled[edit]

A first experiment:

Cunedda[edit]

Cunedda

Typipaun

Osmail (§ 32)

Rumaun (§ 32)

Dunaut

Ceretic

Abloyc

Enniaun girt

Docmail (§ 32)

Etern (§ 32)

Meriaun

Ebiaun

Iusay

Catgolaun Lauhir

Eugein dantguin

Gatgulart

Dinacat

Serguil

Mailcun

Cinglas

Guurgint barmbtruch

Mouric

Bodgu

Run

Meic

Glitnoth

Ebiaun

Artbodgu

Beli

Cangan

Gueinoth

Isaac

Clitauc Artgloys

Iacob

Catgual crisban

Iudris

Popgen

Seissil

Catman

Ytigoy

Sualda

Popdelgu

Arthgen

Catgollaun^[1]

Enniaun

Brocmail

Ebiaun

Dumnguallaun

Catgualart

Rumaun

Egeniud

Brochmail

Mouric

Iutguaul

Caratauc

Iutnimet

Eiciaun

Guocaun (§ 26)
(Ceredigion)

Rotri

Higuel (§ 3)
(Rhôs)

Brochmail

Iouanaul

Cinnan

Cinan (§ 18)
(Meirionnydd)

Caratauc

Etthil

Bleydiud

Merin

Cuhelm (§ 17)
(Dunoding)

Rotri

Catell

Higuel

Ouen (§ 1)^[2]
(Gwynedd)

Hen Ogledd[edit]

Coel Hen[edit]

Coil Hen

Ceneu

Garbaniaun

Gurgust letlwm^[3]

Masguic clop

Pappo post Prydain^[4]

Dumngual moilmut

Merchianum

Eleuther cascord maur

Laenauc

Dunaut (§ 11)

Samuil pennissel

Bran Hen

Cinmarc

Gurci (§ 12)

Peretur (§ 12)

Guallauc (§ 9)

Guitcun

Cincar (or brother)

Urbgen (§ 8)

Catguallaun (§ 19)

Morgant bulc

Coledauc

Morcant (§ 10)

Dumnugual ('Hen') and the rulers of Alt Clut[edit]

The ancestors listed for Dumnugual Hen under § 5 are, in chronological order (from father to son): Confer ("ipse est uero olitauc dimor meton uenditus est"), Fer, Cursalem, Cluim, Cinhil, Cynloyp, Ceretic Guletic and Cinuit.

Cinuit (§ 5)

'Guipno', Gwyddno

'Cinbelim'

Clinog Etin (§ 7)

Riderch Hen (§ 6)

Elfin^[5]

Beli (II)^[6]

Dumnagual (III)^[7]

Rhun (§ 5)

^ Cf: Cadafael Cadomedd ap Cynfeddw
^ The pedigree of Owain's mother Elen is also listed and traced back many generations, to one Guortepir among others (§ 2).
^ "Gurgust" (§ 8), "[Gurgust] letlum" (§ 12).
^ "Pappo" (§ 11), nicknamed post Prydain in § 19.
^ The list may have omitted Guri, known only from the Annales Cambriae.
^ The list may have omitted Dumnagual (II), known only from Irish annals.
^ The list may have omitted Rotri, known only from the Annales Cambriae.

Re the experiment[edit]

Useful, see-it-at-a-glance presentation. And best to follow the exact spellings as given. The red link for "Merin" (son of Etthil, father of Rotri) should go to Merfyn Frych. Minutia ... perhaps instead of "(§-space-12)" use "(§-non breaking space-12)" to ensure that line breaks do not occur where they are not wanted. Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 15:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Yeah, graphic representations can be of great help with bare, tediously long lists of names like the Harleian genealogies. Of course, keeping in mind that they are just a primary source rather than a definitive assessment of royal pedigrees or something. It's a lot of work just getting the boxes aligned properly, so no doubt I haven't paid much attention to certain details, but all in good time. Non-breaking space looks like a better plan. Cavila (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done (§§). BTW, good work on the many improvements you've made to the articles on early Brythonic rulers. Cavila (talk) 18:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words! Very much more to do, and those articles still need to be expanded and enhanced ... work in progress (much like genealogies, right?). Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 14:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least one can't complain of having nothing to work on and I guess that (under)statement might still hold in true in 2030. Did you know btw that an electronic version of Peter Bartrum's work on medieval Welsh genealogies is underway? It's scheduled for publication in late 2009 (so maybe 2010?) and will be made available through the Welsh Dept of the University of Aberystwyth. Cavila (talk) 15:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Always good to have premier references on-line and universally available; of course, by then we'll know all there is to know on the topic, right? Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 19:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Cf: Cadafael Cadomedd ap Cynfeddw

[2] The pedigree of Owain's mother Elen is also listed and traced back many generations, to one Guortepir among others (§ 2).

[3] "Gurgust" (§ 8), "[Gurgust] letlum" (§ 12).

[4] "Pappo" (§ 11), nicknamed post Prydain in § 19.

[5] The list may have omitted Guri, known only from the Annales Cambriae.

[6] The list may have omitted Dumnagual (II), known only from Irish annals.

[7] The list may have omitted Rotri, known only from the Annales Cambriae.

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