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Pre-apocalyptic?[edit]

"Hard Sun is a pre-apocalyptic British television crime drama series"... What does the term "pre-Apocalyptic" add? And what was its source? Aren't all crime series pre-apocalyptic? There won't be much crime post-apocalypse. Due to there being no laws to break. 2.28.151.167 (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC) You probably gain some information on your own, before you ask questions here. “pre-apocalyptic“ in thus case here just means the oposite of “post apocalyptic“. The series is set in a world where it is known that the sun will collapse/implode within the next five years. And therefore this is the named apocalypse, it is “pre-apocalyptic“. At least this is the term also used by the press releases of the BBC which are also linked as sources. --Robberey1705 (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, this 'pre-apocalyptic' terminlogy needs to be removed; as far as I am aware, the only place this term has ever been used before is in the blurb for this very programme. Yes, I can see that this is the blurb provided by whoever provides the summaries for BBC channels' EPG feed. No, I do not think that these summaries bear any resemblance to a Reliable Source, just by virtue of being published under the imprimatur of the BBC. They are obviously not subjected to any kind of editorial process - you just have to read them to see that. MrDemeanour (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems the term "pre-apocalyptic" is used much more than your opinion has limited you: "pre-apocalyptic" on Google. More importantly, why is there no reference to the Bowie song Five Years (David Bowie song)? 73.183.191.143 (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really a Hulu production?[edit]

It seems common for VOD providers (Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc.) to label their purchased programming from other regions as "Original" programming. Star Trek Discovery, for example, is listed as a Netflix original in the UK. I have a feeling this might be the case here. This seems to be a BBC programme purchased by Hulu and labelled as a "co-production" in the US. Is there any real evidence for this? http://www.fremantlemedia.com/hard-sun/ According to Fremantle Media], this is "A Euston Films production for BBC One". No mention of Hulu at that site. --wooden superman 08:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

you might just read the given sources like [1], which clearly says it, albeight you are right, Netflix also names things “originals“ that are actually accquired. But therefore, good already given sources state it is a co-production, thats all we need to know. But it is a bit complicated here, as various sources also say, German ZDF is a coproducer too, but the article states, it just accuired the series. I havent seen the series now, as I am from Germany and ZDF starts airing it next week and the DVD/BluRay is up to come next week. What is written at the end of the episodes? Which companys are named? For normal, Hulu is named if they are coproducing, if notso, it would indeed be an accquiaration. --Robberey1705 (talk) 18:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon (amongst other networks and streaming services) acquire films and television series that have been produced elsewhere and then stream them in other regions with the label of "Netflix Original" without actually being involved with the production. Derek is a good example. It was produced by Channel 4 in the United Kingdom and then Netflix acquired it and aired it as a "Netflix Original" in the United States and other territories. In other instances, however, to foriegn entertainment companies can join together to co-produce a series where they both make a financial investment in the production during the development process. Look at Hulu's The Wrong Mans or Netflix's Frontier for examples of this. This is the case of Hard Sun as all press reports seem to indicate that Hulu was involved in the production process and was as financially involved as the BBC and Eustace Films were. Never once in any article have I seen it reported in regards to this show that Hulu acquired it. Rather it has been explicitly said that they are a co-producer. It was widely covered in the American press that the series was a co-production between the BBC and Hulu. In an article from Deadline, "The six-episode Hard Sun, originally commissioned by BBC One in December 2015, will now be a Hulu original in association with the BBC." [2] – BoogerD (talk) 20:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but "will now be a Hulu original in association with the BBC" does not actually mean that it is a co-production. It could mean that the BBC have just given them the exclusive to call it an "original". Note that this article came out over a year after the BBC originally commissioned the series. I might be splitting hairs, just want to avoid the US bias if this is what this is. --wooden superman 09:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so I just looked at the end credits (from a neutral, Australian broadcast) and this shows both the BBC and Hulu logos. So I guess I was wrong! Thanks for your input! :) --wooden superman 10:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]